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A group of Liberty University students denounced Falwell for his support of Trump and denounced Trump as well during the campaign after the release of the Access Hollywood tapes. Apparently they could not reconcile support for an amoral slug with their Christian beliefs. It's good to see that consistency from a group of students. It would serve the cowardly Republicans, who claim to be Christians, to take a page out of these kids' book, and be true to their professed beliefs. I'm not holding my breath. But I am encouraged to see the students' integrity and intellectual honesty on display and their willingness to speak truth to power.



I think that's the thing, Brick. Liberty University was FOUNDED for the purpose of engaging political agendas, with Christianity just the means to an end. Their mandatory indoctrination sessions (weekly?) are really sketchy -- particularly when they bring in political types who really don't embrace Christian values.... This university has always felt like it was using young people and manipulating their idealistic values to achieve a political agenda. Sounds like at least some of them kept their values. That is hopeful.

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hese are not normal times.

The man in the White House is reckless and unmanageable, a danger to the Constitution, a threat to our democratic institutions.

Last week some of his worst qualities were on display: his moral vacuity and his disregard for the truth, as well as his stubborn resistance to sensible advice. As ever, he lashed out at imaginary enemies and scapegoated others for his own failings. Most important, his reluctance to offer a simple and decisive condemnation of racism and Nazism astounded and appalled observers around the world.

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With such a glaring failure of moral leadership at the top, it is desperately important that others stand up and speak out to defend American principles and values. This is no time for neutrality, equivocation or silence. Leaders across America — and especially those in the president’s own party — must summon their reserves of political courage to challenge President Trump publicly, loudly and unambiguously.

Enough is enough.

Some people clearly understand this. On Monday, after Trump suggested that “alt-left” counter-protesters were as much to blame as Nazis and white supremacists for the fiasco in Charlottesville, a courageous CEO — Kenneth Frazier, the chief executive of Merck & Co. — resigned from the president’s American Manufacturing Council in protest. His departure, which the ever-gracious president greeted with derision, led to an exodus of other commission members.


This is no time for neutrality, equivocation or silence.

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Also last week, five members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a tacit rebuke to the president by condemning racism and hatred in Charlottesville. Denouncing Nazis and Klansmen is not exactly controversial or cutting-edge in 2017, but for the generals to take on the commander in chief is, to say the least, highly unusual.

Many Republicans and conservatives have broken ranks as well in recent months, dismayed by the daily chaos, belligerence and mismanagement. Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) have been outspoken critics. Max Boot, David Frum and other conservative public intellectuals have written articulately about the failures of the Trump presidency; the venerable conservative magazine National Review has as well. On Friday, former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney said Trump’s response to Charlottesville had “caused racists to rejoice,” and that if he didn’t apologize it could lead to “an unraveling of our national fabric.” These votes of no-confidence from fellow conservatives and Republicans are powerful indictments.

But where are the rest?

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Rep. Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) are the two most-powerful men in Congress. Both have fired off the occasional potshot but for the most part have stood firmly behind this wildly flawed president, despite the taunts and insults Trump hurled at them from his Twitter redoubt.

What holds them back? Craven, self-serving political calculations designed to protect their careers, and dwindling hope that the president, despite everything, will help them move their long-delayed legislative agenda.

Their silence is shameful.



Read more here.

Is the GOP willing to set up deck chairs on the Titanic, or will they man the lifeboats? The world wonders.

Never in my life have I seen a President that makes Jimmy Carter look like the best thing since 50 year old single malt Scotch. He's making it easy for mentally ill folks to buy firearms. Why? He's doing away with needed consumer protections in favor of big business. Why? Those are just for starters. He is a clear and present danger to The Republic.
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Is the GOP willing to set up deck chairs on the Titanic, or will they man the lifeboats? The world wonders.

Never in my life have I seen a President that makes Jimmy Carter look like the best thing since 50 year old single malt Scotch. He's making it easy for mentally ill folks to buy firearms. Why? He's doing away with needed consumer protections in favor of big business. Why? Those are just for starters. He is a clear and present danger to The Republic.



Cooter, how do you figure this ends? For the life of me, I can't figure it out.

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I don't know, Robbie. I've never thought that there was a chance that Trump would quit. His ego is too big for that. I suppose that if they see the possibility of losing control of the Congress, they would do something for the "good of the party".
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I never believed Trump would serve a full term. The presidency requires actual work. It isn't fun. But Trump has managed to avoid doing any real work and continues to have fun with all of his vacations and rallies.

I really expected him to declare victory and walk away. But now he's had failure after failure, and I think he realizes that he has no escape without looking like the loser that he is. No doubt that's part of the reason he is so desperate for a victory. ANY victory. As we saw with health care, he really DOESN'T care about the policy. He's just sitting there, with his pen ready, to sign anything. Anything.

My deepest concern is that he's going to do something militarily. The only time he has gotten broader support was when he responded in Syria. Will his desperate need for love compel him to escalate Afghanistan? Take on North Korea? Invade Syria in a serious way?

I just realized how late in the year it is to plan anything in Afghanistan. It seems like the beginning of October is the cutoff for fighting because of extreme weather in the mountains. Why would we be starting something now, just six weeks ahead of that deadline, when we know logistics require time to implement.

Oh, and wait. Isn't Trump the one who insists he never says in advance what he's doing militarily?

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But tonight's speech is supposed to be his Afghanistan strategy, and the smart money is he intends to escalate military action.

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I wonder if he will be taking it from the Secret Service protection budget.

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I wonder if he will be taking it from the Secret Service protection budget.

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Yeah, they don't have one, any more.

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But tonight's speech is supposed to be his Afghanistan strategy, and the smart money is he intends to escalate military action.



I was thinking the same thing about his desire to be seen as unpredictable and his plan to discuss his strategy in Afghanistan. More consistency from our CinC. *sarcasm* This Presidency is crippled and absent a miracle, I don't see it being healed. The question is, will the Constitutional remedies to remove an unfit President be explored and implemented and if they were to be, when? There are murmurs at this point, on both sides of the aisle.

I'm getting very close to rejoining my morning coffee klatch. I'm interested to see how many of them are still on the Trump train. I'm certain that at least one will be, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they all are. The ability for human beings to rationalize and justify irrational behavior has always fascinated me.
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I'm getting very close to rejoining my morning coffee klatch. I'm interested to see how many of them are still on the Trump train. I'm certain that at least one will be, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they all are. The ability for human beings to rationalize and justify irrational behavior has always fascinated me.



I'd be interested, too. And, of course, some of it could be an unwillingness to admit having been wrong in the first place.

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hese are not normal times.

The man in the White House is reckless and unmanageable, a danger to the Constitution, a threat to our democratic institutions.

Last week some of his worst qualities were on display: his moral vacuity and his disregard for the truth, as well as his stubborn resistance to sensible advice. As ever, he lashed out at imaginary enemies and scapegoated others for his own failings. Most important, his reluctance to offer a simple and decisive condemnation of racism and Nazism astounded and appalled observers around the world.

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With such a glaring failure of moral leadership at the top, it is desperately important that others stand up and speak out to defend American principles and values. This is no time for neutrality, equivocation or silence. Leaders across America — and especially those in the president’s own party — must summon their reserves of political courage to challenge President Trump publicly, loudly and unambiguously.

Enough is enough.

Some people clearly understand this. On Monday, after Trump suggested that “alt-left” counter-protesters were as much to blame as Nazis and white supremacists for the fiasco in Charlottesville, a courageous CEO — Kenneth Frazier, the chief executive of Merck & Co. — resigned from the president’s American Manufacturing Council in protest. His departure, which the ever-gracious president greeted with derision, led to an exodus of other commission members.


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Also last week, five members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a tacit rebuke to the president by condemning racism and hatred in Charlottesville. Denouncing Nazis and Klansmen is not exactly controversial or cutting-edge in 2017, but for the generals to take on the commander in chief is, to say the least, highly unusual.

Many Republicans and conservatives have broken ranks as well in recent months, dismayed by the daily chaos, belligerence and mismanagement. Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) have been outspoken critics. Max Boot, David Frum and other conservative public intellectuals have written articulately about the failures of the Trump presidency; the venerable conservative magazine National Review has as well. On Friday, former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney said Trump’s response to Charlottesville had “caused racists to rejoice,” and that if he didn’t apologize it could lead to “an unraveling of our national fabric.” These votes of no-confidence from fellow conservatives and Republicans are powerful indictments.

But where are the rest?

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Rep. Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) are the two most-powerful men in Congress. Both have fired off the occasional potshot but for the most part have stood firmly behind this wildly flawed president, despite the taunts and insults Trump hurled at them from his Twitter redoubt.

What holds them back? Craven, self-serving political calculations designed to protect their careers, and dwindling hope that the president, despite everything, will help them move their long-delayed legislative agenda.

Their silence is shameful.



Read more here.

Is the GOP willing to set up deck chairs on the Titanic, or will they man the lifeboats? The world wonders.

Never in my life have I seen a President that makes Jimmy Carter look like the best thing since 50 year old single malt Scotch. He's making it easy for mentally ill folks to buy firearms. Why? He's doing away with needed consumer protections in favor of big business. Why? Those are just for starters. He is a clear and present danger to The Republic.



IIRC, the Titanic didn't have enough lifeboats for all the passengers and crew.

God forbid that NK attacks us. Not only because that alone would be outrageous, but also because DJT, with his authoritarian streak, may exploit that act of terror to try to curb civil liberties - in the name of "national security," of course.

Forgive my paranoia. I've lived under aLatin American military junta, where their Constitution did indeed become just a meaningless piece of paper.
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I'm getting very close to rejoining my morning coffee klatch. I'm interested to see how many of them are still on the Trump train. I'm certain that at least one will be, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they all are. The ability for human beings to rationalize and justify irrational behavior has always fascinated me.



I'd be interested, too. And, of course, some of it could be an unwillingness to admit having been wrong in the first place.



There is that. I'll let you know what I find. As far apart as we are politically, and it is a wide chasm, these guys were very supportive all the while I was doing the treatments. Complex creatures are we humans.
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He may double down in Afghanistan, which I think would be a mistake. Presidents usually get better rating in the polls when they nail somebody. I think the public for the most part is ready to get the hell out of the ME, and isn't interested in escalation.
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What I got out of Trump's speech:

[flowery patriotic filler]
When our troops come home, they need to come home to a united country.
[flowery patriotic filler]
We're going to win in Afghanistan. I won't tell you how many troops will go there or what or when anything will happen.
[flowery patriotic filler]
Other countries need to pay more.
[flowery patriotic filler]
The end.

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What I got out of Trump's speech:

[flowery patriotic filler]
When our troops come home, they need to come home to a united country.
[flowery patriotic filler]
We're going to win in Afghanistan. I won't tell you how many troops will go there or what or when anything will happen.
[flowery patriotic filler]
Other countries need to pay more.
[flowery patriotic filler]
The end.



So, he didn't go wildly off script, fall on his face, and start spewing obscenities. A success! He's finally pivoted. I can already hear it. Never has the bar been so low.

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So, he didn't go wildly off script, fall on his face, and start spewing obscenities. A success! He's finally pivoted. I can already hear it. Never has the bar been so low.




Genius, I'm tellin' ya!

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What I got out of Trump's speech:

[flowery patriotic filler]
When our troops come home, they need to come home to a united country.
[flowery patriotic filler]
We're going to win in Afghanistan. I won't tell you how many troops will go there or what or when anything will happen.
[flowery patriotic filler]
Other countries need to pay more.
[flowery patriotic filler]
The end.



And what does he envision as a "united country?" Total unconditional support of him, with no dissent or resistance?
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And what does he envision as a "united country?" Total unconditional support of him, with no dissent or resistance?



Yeah, I'd guess you've got that one exactly right.

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Well.... If that was supposed to be some kind of groundbreaking speech that deserved a half-hour of network time, it was another lie....

He did manage to say that Pakistan needs to show a commitment to being civilized. Seriously? The idiot wants to tick off ANOTHER nuclear power???

And he expects India to HELP with Pakistan? Huh? Yeah, good luck with that. Idiot.

Oh. And he revised history to say we have ALWAYS won every war. Um, Vietnam?

Best yet, he insists he is not going to be nation-building in Afghanistan. And then he says, "The government of Afghanistan must carry their share of the military, political and economic burden. The American people expect to see real reforms, real progress and real results." Or what? Real reforms to what? Isn't that nation-building, directing another nation to change in a way that WE want it to be? Um, duh.

Seriously, someone wrote this for him. So there's someone at least equally as stupid as Trump, for that person to write it and for him to read it.

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And what does he envision as a "united country?" Total unconditional support of him, with no dissent or resistance?



That is EXACTLY what I got out of it. We have to stop those nasty liberal haters from disrupting the pretty marches of the torch-bearers and flag-wavers. THEY HAVE FREE SPEECH, YA KNOW!!! (Yeah, I hear you whining that decent people have free speech rights, too, but who cares about you?)

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