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I’m sorry you’re having to deal with depression. You think it’s attributable to the 2016 election, Robbie?

I’m feeling depressed myself, which I attribute partly to losing Allan, worrying about an elderly mother distraught over the prospect of losing her driver’s license, and my recent illness. Then there’s the political situation in this country.
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I’m sorry you’re having to deal with depression. You think it’s attributable to the 2016 election, Robbie?

 



Yep. I kept waking up throughout the night for weeks after the election, and it still hits me from time to time.

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It is amazing to me how some of you are handling so many stressors at once without descending into major depression. Some years ago I edited a book about clinical depression, and to find out more about it, I read Percy Knauth's book "A Season in Hell." He said three major life changes would bring on major depression. The election of Trump has stunned us all, and when I think of the added long-term and short-term problems some of you are having, I wonder how you hold it together.
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[sign in to see URL]'ll tell you my secret.

I do it in reverse. The stressors don't put me INTO depression; they keep me going.

I didn't realize it until a therapist helped me uncover it a couple of decades ago.

I have chronic major depression and a bunch of other diagnoses. It's situational, not chemical, so none of the meds help (and heaven knows I've tried most of them).

So.... How I get through it is by overloading myself with things to do. As my therapist said, "You just dance faster." And the faster I dance, the less time I have available for my mind to wander into dark places.

I have to be careful to watch the balance, though. I've crashed and burned a few times and ended up in VERY dark places. But I've been doing pretty okay for the last 15 years or so, and it works for me (mostly). emoticon

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You ought to be written up in a professional journal, Lis. Until then, I'm glad we know about your solution.
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Actually, I shouldn't have called what I'm feeling "depression." I've been there, and this isn't it. This is more like anxiety, and I've gotten a med from my doctor twice since Trump's election for it. I take it for about five days to break what I think is an anxiety habit, then I'm out of the woods for a while.

I am sad and blue, though, dating back to Trump's election, and seriously fearful over what will become of us and our country's structures. The nation is now seriously broken and I don't know whether it can be put back together again in a form we'll recognize.



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That’s where I’m at, Robbie. I’m truly fearful for our nation and what (more) mischief trump could havoc. After having lived in Argentina, where I saw a military coup d’etat while I was there (I was not there during the Dirty War later, where things were truly bad), I wonder if trump might use any issue as a pretext to declare martial law and maybe convert those tent cities for people here illegally into detention centers for anti-trump dissidents? Yes, I know it sounds paranoid, and it’s my paranoia coming out again, but I seriously believe that trump dreams of being a strongman,a king ruling by divine right without constraints from a pesky Congress or pesky courts.
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You ought to be written up in a professional journal, Lis. Until then, I'm glad we know about your solution.


I'm probably in SOMEONE's professional journal. "Wait 'til you hear about THIS crackpot!" emoticon

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Robbie, I'm VERY grateful the anxiety meds are working to get you through the rough patches.

To be brutally honest, I worry about the mental health of anyone who is NOT deeply concerned about the Trump presidency. I'm not talking about the wall or taxes or immigration policy or deregulation. I'm talking about what Birdz is saying. A president with no conscience, no empathy, no understanding of issues, no understanding of consequences, and an insatiable need for accolades and power.

With the military at his command.

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"There is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes or makes it the official duty of a president to have anything to do with criminal activities."

Sam Ervin

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"There is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes or makes it the official duty of a president to have anything to do with criminal activities."

Sam Ervin




How I'd love to have Sam Ervin and Howard Baker back.

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Amen.

Sam Dash too.

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"In the First Amendment, the Founding Fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to fulfill its essential role in our democracy. The press was to serve the governed, not the governors. The Government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press would remain forever free to censure the Government. The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government."
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"Enemy of the people", my lily white ass.

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The Pentagon Papers Case! (I googled.) The Brennan Court. The good old days.
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What the right-wing assholes never get is that our Constitution was written pretty much by liberals and that "liberals" on the Court have been the ones protecting citizens from government intrusion unlawfully. Most of the "conservatives" have been more for big government with mostly unlimited police powers.
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Amen, amen, and amen.

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It's late, which is when I do most of my musings. I may come back later and revise and extend my remarks, but here's where I'm starting.

Suppose you managed to become President of the United States, something you hadn't really expected, and those who have control over you have, as their goal, the destruction of the Western Alliance as well as the big prize, destruction of the United States of America. How would the controllers, and you, manage it.

If you did something huge and explosive at once everyone would react in horror and stop you. If you did it slowly and bit-by-bit, it would be like the frog in the pot of water. By the time the water boiled the frog would be cooked without protest. What would you do?

First, appoint incompetents to head major agencies. A bonus would be to appoint those who had opposed those agencies' goals for years.

Next, leave many key positions (e.g. those in the State Department) unfilled. Cripple their ability to deal with other countries simply through vacancies in key positions that should interact with other countries.

Next, hold meetings with autocrats and don't allow your own witnesses in those meetings. Make promises that the autocrats know but your own countrymen don't.

Commit a firehose of minor and major atrocities, so many and so fast that those who might stop you simply can't deal with the onslaught. Let them become so normal that people just shrug.

Get a media network to support everything you do. Let them tsk-tsk anyone who might sound an alarm over your actions.

And then, when the populace is softened up, attack all federal law enforcement by denying their pay over a protracted period of time, such that they can no longer survive by doing their jobs and nobody new can be recruited to replace them because nobody can afford to work without pay. The FBI, the CIA, the TSA, the Border Patrol, the federal judges, and others are either furloughed or required to work without pay. They begin to drift away, seeking employment that offers actual pay checks. Major agencies fail.

Bingo.

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Excellent, Roberta. I've long postulated that to Trump the United States is a means to inflate his bank account and perception of himself.
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Excellent, Roberta. I've long postulated that to Trump the United States is a means to inflate his bank account and perception of himself.



Yep. High plains grifter.

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I see that all investigations will have to come to a halt since the FBI et al are running out of money to even issue subpoenas. Even Mueller.

Hmmmmmmmmm.............
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