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Heh heh heh
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Tim Scott: Trump 'misspoke' with white supremacy remark, should correct Proud Boys comment
BY JORDAIN CARNEY - The Hill
09/30/20

Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.), the only Black GOP senator, said Wednesday that President Trump should "correct" his comments from the first presidential debate, where he refused to condemn white supremacists.

"I think he misspoke in response to Chris Wallace's comment. ... I think he misspoke, I think he should correct it. If he doesn't correct it, I guess he didn't misspeak," Scott said, when asked by ABC News if he found Trump's remarks concerning.

Asked directly to denounce white supremacists and militia groups who have aligned themselves with him, Trump instead argued that "almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing."

Trump's refusal to denounce white supremacists at Tuesday night's debate sparked immediate backlash from Democrats and was touted by far-right groups online.

Republican senators, asked on Wednesday about the president's rhetoric, sought to distance themselves. Trump's comments are the latest example of him overshadowing what Republicans would rather be talking about — the Supreme Court nomination.

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), the party's 2012 presidential nominee, told reporters on Wednesday that "of course" Trump should have denounced white supremacists during the debate.

Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) added that Trump should have been "very clear."

"He should have made it very clear that there's no room for people on the far left or the far more far right. When it comes to either an antifa or these white supremacist groups, should have been very clear," Rounds told reporters.

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Ha! I missed that line, Belle!

COMPLETELY agree with you, Badhorsie. I wonder how many women (especially) saw something in Trump tonight that reminds them very much of a husband, a father, an abuser of any kind.... But in THIS case, they can do something about it.



He reminded me of the bullies who made one year in high school hell on earth for me, to the point where my parents had to pull me out and put me in another school. Compared to trump, those bullies were rank amateurs.
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I'm sorry that happened to you, Birdz. The only time I've ever been bullied has been in cyberspace.

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I googled and found the origin of Rachel's most interesting remark last night. It was something she said to Seth Meyers in 2015:

Rachel Maddow Mocks Trump Campaign with Seth Meyers: "Is He Gonna Bite the Head Off a Bat?"

by Katie Wilson Berg
7/23/2015

Maddow finally summed up the collective joy of The Donald's presidential run for journalists and others watching from a distance — that, for better or worse, he's managed to disrupt everyone's expectations: "The one nice thing about it is that when you cover national politics, there's almost never something that's totally unpredictable. In this case, like, that debate's gonna happen. Is he gonna pull his pants down? Like, is he gonna pull somebody else's pants down? Is he gonna bite the head off a bat? You know, like, what else can happen?"

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‘I have never supported Donald Trump’: Portland-area sheriff hits back after president claims his endorsement in debate

By Tim Elfrink
September 30, 2020

As President Trump argued during Tuesday night’s debate that vast numbers of law enforcement officials are supporting his campaign, he began listing the locations of his alleged police backers.

“I have Florida, I have Texas, I have Ohio,” he said. “Excuse me, Portland, the sheriff there just came out today and said, ‘I support President Trump.’”

Not so, says the sheriff in the Portland, Ore., area. Multnomah County Sheriff Mike Reese quickly took to Twitter on Tuesday night to forcefully deny any affinity for the president.

“In tonight’s presidential debate the President said the ‘Portland Sheriff’ supports him. As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him,” Reese tweeted.

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Lis should moderate the next debate.

Kids were frightened, educators were horrified — and there was this: ‘PLEASE let an experienced teacher moderate the next debate’


You know.... I didn't even realize it until I read this. Probably a good part of my anger last night is that I DO know techniques to rein Trump in -- whether he liked it or not. Put a high school Government teacher in the chair. I would have loved that challenge. I had my fair share of boys a foot taller than me cussing me out right in front of the whole class -- and managed to get them shut up or out the door. Heck, "Bird", the court officer for Judge Judy, could have done a better job than Chris Wallace did.

I know I'm being harder on Chris Wallace than many are. But the job of moderator -- ESPECIALLY of a presidential debate -- means more than picking the questions and watching the clock. He has to MODERATE!!! Novel concept....

I worry how much worse Trump with be with Kristen Welker, given Trump's complete disrespect for women, and especially since Trump has attacked her during press conferences on a regular basis.

One easy and obvious thing the moderator should do is to call them out by name, rather than position. "Mr. President" and "Mr. Vice-President" gets confusing anyway. But when you're trying to get someone's attention, using their names -- "Mr. Trump" and "Mr. Biden" -- would be far more effective.

And yes, they MUST have a mute button for the microphones.

And someone NEEDS to tell Biden that even when Trump is trying to yell over him, we CAN still hear Biden's words. Keep talking. We hear you. And THAT is what drives Trump crazy.

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I respectfully disagree, Lis. Imagine the outcry had Chris Wallace shut down Donald Trump’s mike. Especially if Wallace shut down both candidates mikes when they interrupted each other and Trump’s mike wound up being muted five times the number of times that Biden’s was shut down because of Trump’s endless interruptions. Oh the outrage, the unfairness! I can see and hear it.

I doubt that the rules of the debate allowed the moderator to shut down the mikes or the debate. I think Donald Trump made a fool of himself and Chris Wallace had no choice but to step back and let him present his real self for tens of millions to see in real time. I don't blame Chris Wallace at all for Donald Trump’s disgraceful conduct. Either Wallace’s allowing him to go on or his inability to control him helped to portray the real Donald Trump as the he really is for all to see. “All” in this context is tens of millions of viewers.

The Election Commission needs to change the rules to empower the moderator to take measures when faced by a candidate who refuses to adhere to the rules. Meanwhile the moderator is powerless to affect the behavior of the participants. I think there are plans in the works for those changes. But the underlying principle is for the moderator to be minimally involved in order to allow the viewers to see the candidates clearly without injecting the moderator’s judgments into the mix.
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So the spin from Fox News is essentially this; civility, common courtesy, and human decency are signs of weakness, while rudeness and bullying are signs of strength. Biden, weak, Trump strong. And up is down and down is up.
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I agree partly with Brick. Chris Wallace could not have stopped Trump with words. But I think he should have had the power to cut the mike off. In fact, maybe the rule should be that when one man has his two minutes, the other mike should automatically be off. Then when the question goes to discussion, both are on.
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I agree with Brick, too. There was almost nothing Wallace could have done, given the rules in place at the time.

FOX may try to spin this, but the overwhelming response from those who watched any of it was negative for Trump.

In all previous debates, including the one Tuesday night, the parties have agreed to the rules. I don't know what will happen if the Commission on Presidential Debates changes the rules and Trump won't agree. Do they do it anyway? If so, Trump will claim he's being treated very unfairly and it's a disgrace. And if they don't change the rules we'll just have more of this.

Trump, of course, doesn't want real debates. He can't articulate a policy position because he doesn't have any. His way of coping with that is simply to blow up the "debate" and make it a shouting match with personal insults.

That's all he's got.

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Both Donna Edwards and George Will think the next two debates should be canceled. I disagree. I don't think Trump should have the power to make the commission do that. Trump is telling people that Biden doesn't want to debate him again.
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Brick, Belle, and Robbie, you ALL made good points. I'll back off of Chris Wallace a bit.

Trump is clearly responsible for his own words and behavior. I doubt very many people would have changed their minds to support Trump because he's so "strong and manly."

I still think these debates are more for people to decide whether to vote for the candidate they already prefer or to stay home.

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I think Biden should debate if the rules are changed to prevent another fiasco. I think that Biden would be forewarned the next time and could take advantage of that by simply refusing to engage Trump and addressing his answers and comments to the camera, audience, or the moderator while articulating his vision for the way forward for the country. He should allow Trump to continue making a fool of himself. Imho, of course. Your mileage may vary.

Having the mikes cut off after two minutes is a good thought, Belle. I think the Debate Commission has decided to give the moderator the ability to cut them off which would be an improvement, but making the clock the arbiter would preclude the biased moderator objection.
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“I still think these debates are more for people to decide whether to vote for the candidate they already prefer or to stay home.”

I agree, Lis. I think that most voters who are committed to voting have long since made up their minds.

I have my ballot on my desk. I plan on filling it in and dropping it off at the local Supervisor of Elections office tomorrow or Monday.
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Afternoon reports on MSNBC say Trump's campaign has refused to any change in the rules.

I think Biden has to show up and do the best he can in getting his policy positions out there. Refusal to attend would just be used by the Trump team to claim Biden is afraid of Trump.

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Afternoon reports on MSNBC say Trump's campaign has refused to any change in the rules.

I think Biden has to show up and do the best he can in getting his policy positions out there. Refusal to attend would just be used by the Trump team to claim Biden is afraid of Trump.



I agree, Robbie. My first reaction was that it would be ridiculous for Biden to subject himself to that again. But then I thought how Trump could use that against him, painting him as tired and weak. And then I thought, as I posted above, that Biden could turn it to his advantage. For either reason or both I think Biden has to show.

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Chris Wallace blames Trump for chaotic debate: He 'bears the primary responsibility'

By Oliver Darcy, CNN Business
Updated 4:30 PM ET, Thu October 1, 2020


New York (CNN Business) -- Chris Wallace, the Fox News anchor who moderated Tuesday's debate, is placing the bulk of the blame on President Donald Trump for sending the political showdown into chaos.

Wallace, who had in a Wednesday interview with The New York Times declined to pin the culpability on Trump, told his colleague Bill Hemmer during an interview Thursday that he believes Trump "bears the primary responsibility for what happened."

"I had baked this beautiful, delicious cake and then frankly the President put his foot in it," Wallace said.

"That was frustrating," Wallace added. "It was frustrating for me because I tried hard to prepare for a serious debate, much more frustrating and more importantly for the American people because they didn't get the debate they wanted that they deserved."

Wallace, who said that he wished he had stepped in more seriously sooner, went on to describe the missed opportunity as "a loss for the country."

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The Commission on Presidential Debates said it was mulling structural changes to the remaining debates after Tuesday's widely panned event.

A person close to the commission told CNN on Thursday that the organization has "not ruled out anything." When asked if giving the moderator the ability to cut off a candidate's microphone is on the table, the person said the commission is "considering everything."

Wallace, however, didn't appear sold on that idea.

"That's a pretty tough spot to put any moderator in," Wallace said.

Almost immediately after the debate got underway Tuesday night, Wallace lost control and was never was able to regain order.

The President repeatedly interrupted Biden and declined to obey the rules of the forum.

Trump even spoke over Wallace, telling the Fox News anchor, "I guess I'm debating you, not him, but that's OK. I'm not surprised."

At one point, Wallace attempted to rein in the President, pleading with him to obey the rules.

"I think that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions," Wallace said. "I'm appealing to you, sir, to do that."

"Well, and him too!" Trump quipped back, referring to Biden.

"Well, frankly, you've been doing more interrupting than he has," Wallace countered.

The attempt was unsuccessful and the debate ended much like it started: in chaos.

More at: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/media/chris-wallace-trump-biden-debate/index.html


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I think Biden should debate if the rules are changed to prevent another fiasco. I think that Biden would be forewarned the next time and could take advantage of that by simply refusing to engage Trump and addressing his answers and comments to the camera, audience, or the moderator while articulating his vision for the way forward for the country. He should allow Trump to continue making a fool of himself. Imho, of course. Your mileage may vary.

Having the mikes cut off after two minutes is a good thought, Belle. I think the Debate Commission has decided to give the moderator the ability to cut them off which would be an improvement, but making the clock the arbiter would preclude the biased moderator objection.


I completely agree, Brick. Biden has to just keep talking because we CAN hear him and DON'T want him responding to Trump's blather or just stopping when Trump gets loud.

I would LOVE for the Debate Commission to give the moderator the power to shut off the microphone at two minutes. If Trump refuses to attend with that limitation, it is HE who is scared about not being able to carry on with the only strategy he has.

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If Trump refuses to attend with that limitation, it is HE who is scared about not being able to carry on with the only strategy he has.



"I'm being treated very unfairly. It's a disgrace."

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