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Stealing the Election in November, 2020


Trump says he’s blocking Postal Service funding because Democrats want to expand mail-in voting during pandemic

By Felicia Sonmez and Jacob Bogage
August 13, 2020 at 7:47 a.m. PDT


President Trump said Thursday that he does not want to fund the U.S. Postal Service because Democrats are seeking to expand mail-in voting during the coronavirus pandemic, making explicit the reason he has declined to approve $25 billion in emergency funding for the cash-strapped agency.

“Now, they need that money in order to make the post office work, so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo. He added: “Now, if we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting, they just can’t have it.”

Trump has railed against mail-in balloting for months, and at a White House briefing Wednesday, he argued without evidence that USPS’s enlarged role in the November election would perpetuate “one of the greatest frauds in history.”

During the Wednesday briefing, Trump told reporters he would not approve the $25 billion in emergency funding for the Postal Service, or $3.5 billion in supplemental funding for election resources, citing prohibitively high costs. But he went further in remarks Thursday morning, blaming Democrats’ efforts to make it easier for Americans to vote amid the pandemic.

“There’s nothing wrong with getting out and voting. . . . They voted during World War I and World War II,” Trump told Bartiromo.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) pushed back Thursday in an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

“In the legislation we had $25 billion,” Pelosi said. “That is the number that is recommended by the Board of Governors of the U.S. Postal Service. . . . In earlier covid bills, the president has stood in the way of any money for the Postal Service.”

Pelosi noted that the among other things, the Postal Service delivers many prescriptions, which is particularly important in pandemic times.

“So they’re hurting seniors; it’s a health issue. . . . So, when the president goes after the Postal Service, he’s going after an all-American, highly approved-by-the-public institution,” she said.

The campaign of presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden criticized Trump’s statement, saying Trump was “sabotaging a basic service that hundreds of millions of people rely upon.”

“This is an assault on our democracy and economy by a desperate man who’s terrified that the American people will force him to confront what he’s done everything in his power to escape for months — responsibility for his own actions,” Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said in a statement.

Democrats earlier in the spring had rallied to the Postal Service’s defense when it sat on the brink of insolvency. Postal officials warned at the outset of the pandemic that declines on mail volume could have led the agency to run out of money in October.

As Congress agreed to a $13 billion emergency grant for the USPS in an early round of coronavirus relief spending, Trump threatened to veto the bill — worth $2 trillion and full of funding for unemployment benefits, small businesses and national security industries — if it included any direct funding for the Postal Service.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mail-voting/2020/08/13/3eb9ac62-dd70-11ea-809e-b8be57ba616e_story.html




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Between voter roll purges, Russian (and other countries) meddling, reduction in in-person voting places, and making vote-by-mail an uncertain activity, the son-of-a-!@#$ is going to steal this election.

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This is flagrant. Dan Baltz said on Andrea Mitchell that people will do all they can to be able to vote and have their vote counted this year, spurred by this effort to suppress their vote. The internet is already full of advice about how to get your mail-in request for a ballot early, and get it mailed back or dropped in a drop box early. Ohio's secretary of state has forbidden any new drop boxes to be added to those that already exist. I'm not sure whether he's removing some that already exist.
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He is openly making that effort. What a sad excuse for a human being, undermining people’s confidence in the heart of the democratic process, a process that he swore to protect and defend. And sadly, unsurprisingly no outcry from the Republican legislators who took the same oath as he did. The way to eliminate the threat of his stealing the election is to overwhelmingly defeat him and his toadies with the vote, totally repudiate them, erase even a shadow of a doubt. Here’s hoping.
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I just got through writing all 3 of my GOP representatives in D.C. After going through all of Trump's and the state GOP's efforts to suppress minority voting I asked them where is the party that used to be big on defending our Constitution and the laws? Citizens want to know?
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My representatives are all Dems and I can count on them to condemn this latest power grab by trump.

Ive already applied for an absentee ballot, and plan to drop it in a dropbox early.
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Mine are all Republican, and they don't ever give two squats about what I say.

Indiana will only allow absentee voting for those who can meet one of their approved excuses. Fear of coronavirus isn't one of them.

So I'm going on Facebook as soon as people can apply for absentee ballots to ask as many people as possible to PLEASE avail themselves of that, so the lines aren't longer on election day. Once the early voting starts, I'll put up dates, times, and locations and urge people to use the early dates if they can, to avoid long lines on election day.

You're right that Trump took an oath to protect and defend our democracy, Brick. But this is coming from a guy who doesn't abide by loan agreements or wedding vows.....

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Mine are all Republican, and they don't ever give two squats about what I say.

Indiana will only allow absentee voting for those who can meet one of their approved excuses. Fear of coronavirus isn't one of them.

So I'm going on Facebook as soon as people can apply for absentee ballots to ask as many people as possible to PLEASE avail themselves of that, so the lines aren't longer on election day. Once the early voting starts, I'll put up dates, times, and locations and urge people to use the early dates if they can, to avoid long lines on election day.

You're right that Trump took an oath to protect and defend our democracy, Brick. But this is coming from a guy who doesn't abide by loan agreements or wedding vows.....



You’re right, Lis. It’s a given that he’ll encounter no resistance from the Republicans who took the same oath. They are as culpable as he is.

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I don't know now which program I was watching that said it, and I can't find it online:

Among those who plan to vote by mail, 86% said they would vote for Biden.

Among those who plan to vote on election day, 67% said they would vote for Trump.

HUGE incentive for Trump to screw up the mail.

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On the other hand...

Florida’s most famous mail-in voter will do it again: Trump requests ballot
By Hannah Morse - Palm Beach Post
Posted Aug 13, 2020 at 5:43 PM

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump have requested vote-by-mail ballots less than a week before the August primary.

For the second time as a Palm Beach County voter, President Donald Trump has requested a vote-by-mail ballot.

And the president, who has just spent the past few weeks excoriating mail-in voting, has less than a week to cast it.

The request for himself and first lady Melania Trump came Wednesday, the Palm Beach County elections website shows.

The next day, Trump told Fox Business Network that holding back money from the U.S. Postal Service, sought by Democrats in a relief package that is stuck in Congress, would hamper mail-in voting, which he advocates.

“If we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money,” Trump said in the interview. “That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting; they just can’t have it.”

The Trumps’ ballots would have been picked up, not mailed to his Palm Beach private club, Mar-a-Lago, because the deadline to send out ballots has passed.

Now it must travel to Washington, D.C., where the president and first lady can mark their choices for seven races. One of those races is for his local congressional seat, held by liberal Democrat Lois Frankel.

On the Republican ballot, the Trumps could choose from an array of candidates, including avid Trump supporter and conservative provocateur Laura Loomer, who has been banned from Twitter and raised more than $1 million for her campaign.

The Trumps’ ballots must return to the Palm Beach County’s elections office outside West Palm Beach before 7 p.m. Tuesday, when all mail-in ballots must be submitted.

There’s no word from the White House if they are entrusting the task to the recently maligned U.S. Postal Service.

In tweets, the president has lamented without evidence rampant fraud with mail-in ballots and even suggested the November election be delayed over coronavirus concerns. That can only be done by an act of Congress, though.

In particular, he has blasted universal vote-by-mail, where elections offices automatically send ballots to all registered voters, rather than just those who request one, as is the case in Florida.


In an early August tweet, Trump sanctioned Florida’s system.

“Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True. Florida’s Voting system has been cleaned up (we defeated Democrats attempts at change), so in Florida I encourage all to request a Ballot & Vote by Mail!” Trump wrote.

Florida lawmakers changed the legal wording from “absentee” to “vote-by-mail” in 2016 to alleviate confusion, since voters weren’t required to be away from home to cast their ballot.

Trump became a Palm Beach County voter in October, when he changed his permanent address from New York to his Mar-a-Lago home in Palm Beach.

While Trump had an opportunity to vote in Palm Beach for the March presidential primary, he instead requested a vote-by-mail ballot and had an affiliate pick it up eight days before election day.

Trump asserted in Thursday’s interview that the dollars that would go to the Postal Service “will turn out to be fraudulent, that’s election money basically.”

“Now they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” he continued.

Critics fear his attacks are aimed at slowing mail-in voting when more voters nationwide plan on mailing in their vote to avoid in-person voting during a pandemic.

“This will be the greatest fraud in history,” Trump said in the interview about states conducting universal mail-in voting

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Who waits until six days before the election to request a mail-in ballot?

Using the regular mail, the ballot would never reach the Trumps, be completed, and arrive back to election headquarters by next Tuesday.

Let's hope he is treated like all other voters.

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He probably didn’t know what the ballot is for. Seriously.
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He just did what he was told.
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I remarked earlier in the thread about Trump’s sowing doubt. But this is much more of a threat than just that. His agent in charge of the Post Office is apparently making an effort to see that less physical votes are counted rather than more, an effort supported, probably ordered by the President of the United States.

Every President in my memory encouraged full participation in the democratic process except this one. And that doesn’t begin to say it all about this dangerous clown. Every American should be outraged and alarmed by his effort to undermine the vote, regardless of Party. The vote is the lifeblood of our way of life and needs to be protected from this obvious threat. This is well beyond a partisan issue.
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Looks like the court isn't impressed.

Judge orders Trump campaign to produce evidence of voter fraud in Pennsylvania
CNN Digital Expansion 2018 Katelyn Polantz
By Katelyn Polantz, CNN
Updated 7:37 PM ET, Thu August 13, 2020

A federal judge in Pennsylvania told the Trump campaign and the Republican Party that they must produce evidence they have of vote-by-mail fraud in the state by Friday.

The judge's order, in a high-profile case about vote-by-mail in the battleground state, essentially forces the Trump campaign to try to back up President Donald Trump's false claims about massive voter fraud in postal voting.

"The Court finds that instances of voter fraud are relevant to the claims and defenses in this case," District Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan wrote on Thursday, telling Republicans that they need to provide evidence of fraud to the Democratic Party and the Sierra Club, which are part of the lawsuit.

The Democrats had asked for information and documents that would show steps the Republicans took to study the possibility of fraud, especially related to the use of dropboxes, ballot collection and mailed-in ballots in the primary elections.

The Trump campaign and Republicans had refused to do so. But with Thursday's court order, they must answer questions from the Democratic groups and turn over records of communications -- or say they have none. The Trump campaign has until Friday to respond, the judge said.

The Trump campaign "should not be permitted to raise such spectacular fraud related claims, particular in this national climate," lawyers representing the Democrats wrote.

The Democrats have called the Trump lawsuit an attempt to stoke fears about unproven fraud related to mail-in voting in the battleground state. Trump has repeatedly claimed there is massive voter fraud -- something that CNN's fact-checking team has repeatedly debunked. Legal scholars from both parties, and nonpartisan experts, acknowledge that there is no widespread fraud in US elections.

The case is one of the boldest attempts by the Trump campaign in court to curtail mail-in voting in the 2020 election. The Trump campaign had claimed mail-in voting could prompt questions about the accuracy of election results "and ultimately chaos," according to the court record.

Ranjan, the judge overseeing the suit, was appointed by Trump.

A hearing about the evidence is set for late September.

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AwRIGHT!
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From Peter’s cite: “A federal judge in Pennsylvania told the Trump campaign and the Republican Party that they must produce evidence they have of vote-by-mail fraud in the state by Friday. “

A good sign. Thanks for posting the piece, Peter.
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U.S. Postal Service warns Pennsylvania that mail-in ballots may be delivered too late

A group of Pennsylvania voters are asking state officials to extend the counting deadline beyond Election Day.

Aug. 13, 2020, 10:01 PM PDT
By Dennis Romero


The U.S. Postal Service says it's unlikely there will be enough time to request, complete and return mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania to be counted for the Nov. 3 presidential election.

Thomas J. Marshall, general counsel and executive vice president of the agency warned in a July 29 letter to State Secretary Kathy Boockvar of "a risk that ballots requested near the deadline under state law will not be returned by mail in time to be counted under your laws as we understand them."

The letter was revealed Thursday in a filing that's part of an ongoing lawsuit by a group of Pennsylvania voters who want state officials to extend the counting deadline beyond Election Day as a result of anticipated U.S. Postal Service delays for mail-in ballots.

The USPS did not immediately respond to request for comment Thursday night.

State officials, including Boockvar, said in the filing Thursday that the plaintiffs were correct in claiming that there will be mail delays; state officials now say the deadline to receive mail-in ballots should be extended three days beyond Nov. 3 so long as there's not evidence a ballot was mailed after Election Day.

The Postal Service sent a similar letter and warning to Washington's secretary of state, Kim Wyman, the Spokane Spokesman-Review reported Monday.

More at: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-postal-service-warns-pennsylvania-mail-ballots-may-be-n1236713

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As I understand it, the rule in Washington is that the ballots must be postmarked by November 3, not delivered by that day.
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As I understand it, the rule in Washington is that the ballots must be postmarked by November 3, not delivered by that day.



That is also my understanding, Belle.

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