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Trump in White House briefing room:

First thing: Thanks to those making agreement with Afghanistan to end war. Thanks to those who died and their families, as well as wounded warriors. Thanks to Americans who spent lives and treasure in the war. Thanks to UN and NATO for their help? [Wow] 29 countries involved in the agreement. Trump will meet personally with Taliban leaders "in the not too distant future". Now it's time for the Taliban to kill the "bad people". [And if the Taliban ARE the bad people???] "If bad things happen, we will go back with a force like nobody has ever seen."

Thanks to the many professionals who have been working around the clock on coronavirus. 22 patients in the US with coronavirus. One passed away overnight. Woman in her late 50s, health compromised. Four in serious condition. Others have been treated and released. We expect more cases, but they should be able to completely recover. Healthy people will go through a process, and then they will be fine. Administration moved very early and quickly to impose travel restrictions to prevent spread of the disease. Chinese numbers are "way down". Apple is back in full operation in China. Experts have congratulated Trump for his quick work. We have taken the most aggressive actions of any country in the world. [Apparently he missed the news coverage of China, South Korea, and Europe temperature testing EVERYONE going from place to place.]

Monday he will meet with the owners of the largest pharmaceutical companies to develop a vaccine. Tremendous amount of supplies on hand. 43 million masks -- no one could have believed he would have so many so quickly. [No one ramped up production this quickly. These had to be products that are produced per month, or some such number.] We are doing so well, professionally, under adverse circumstances.

Asked the media and politicians to not incite panic. There is no reason to panic, because it's being handled so well. Thanked governors for their work.

Pence says that from the moment they learned of the virus, Trump took decisive action and threat to Americans remains low.

Recommendations from Pence's task force:
- Additional travel restrictions, banning travel from Iran or any foreign national who has visited Iran in the last 14 days [And then acknowledged there is ALREADY a travel ban in place from Iran. Doh.]
- Highest level advisory telling Americans not to travel to South Korea or Italy
- State Dept working with South Korea and Italy to screen anyone coming from there to the US

Pence has talked to agencies and governors, and Americans would be proud of how seamlessly they have all worked together. Working on supplemental funding bill to CDC and NIH; talked with Dem and Republican leaders.

Pence says average Americans do not need to go out and buy masks. They've contracted with 3M to make 30 million more masks per month. Health care providers need the masks.

Alex Azar says from day one, this is what we predicted. Risk remains low due to the unprecedented actions Trump has taken. But this could change rapidly. We will see more cases, but it is important to remember that for the vast number of people, they'll have mild or moderate symptoms and should just stay at home and treat it like a cold or flu. Basic message is to lower the amount of travel to and from the most heavily impacted areas.

Tony Fauci (NIH) says community spread challenges us. Need to identify, isolate, and contact trace patients. The country is at low risk, but this can change quickly, and they will advise Americans where we are. Puffs up Trump for the Chinese travel ban. We need to prevent our citizens from going to places with active infection, and prevent people from those places from coming to the US. Don't be surprised by additional cases. This is anticipated by community spread. The challenge is how we deal with it.

Bob Redfield (CDC) says there are 22 cases in US, mostly linked by travel to China and their contacts. State and local health departments are aggressively dealing with these cases. We will see clusters of cases soon. Risk to the public remains low.

Media Questions:

Last night at the rally, you used the word "hoax". Now that someone has died, do you feel bad about saying that, in light of the death? No, the virus is not a hoax. Dems are criticizing the experts, and that is the hoax. [What the...? Dems WANT to hear from the experts, not Trump and Pence, because we want the facts!]

Have you muzzled Dr. Fouci? That's a dishonest question. He has never been muzzled. Tells Fouci to tell press he wasn't muzzled. Fauci was scheduled to go on news shows, but he was told to cancel and clear his statements through Pence. Fauci says that isn't being muzzled. [Not being able to speak for yourself sure sounds "muzzled" to me.]

Are you looking at closing the southern border? Yes. Looking strongly at it, thought there is no threat of disease coming over the border. [So...why are you looking at closing it?]

How should Americans prepare? Don't change routine. Bob comes back: Public needs to go on with their normal lives. We're being transparent. Risk is low.

What about the troops in South Korea? Are they at risk? We have 32,000 troops there. We have talked to authorities there.

Doesn't the word "hoax" tell people to not take precautions? Insults questioner for bad question. It was a hard decision because travel bans have never been used before. [Apparently Trump is unaware of what he has already done regarding travel bans.] The experts (including Mike Pence) are great. This will end.

Is the White House taking extra precautions so Trump doesn't get sick? I get around. Went to South Carolina last night. Only 22 people in this vast country have gotten sick.

For Fauci - If you're a healthy young person, will you be safe? Look at totality of cases. In 75-80% of Chinese cases, patients are doing well. Those requiring intensive care are elderly and/or have underlying conditions. Every once in a while, an otherwise healthy person will fall ill. But most of the time, it will follow patterns of flu. There is no indication of a person who has had it getting it again.

About the peace deal between the Taliban and US: Is the war over? Is the Taliban in charge of Afghanistan? And why did you renominate the guy who has already been withdrawn once for DNI? He's a good guy. There was a bad report about the FBI from the Inspector General. THEY are the problem. We've done a fantastic job killing terrorists, and now it's time to come home.

Is the US considering protective measures similar to China? Yes. Xi has been working hard. Starbucks is open again. Apple is back to normal production.

How did the woman who passed away contract the virus? Bob: We have found no link to travel or contact with someone who has been identified. So it's community contact.

Are you considering stopping travel in the US? Bob: Not now. We'll communicate if it changes.

Are you working with Mexico and South American countries? We're keeping all ports open at this time. The southern border isn't a real problem right now.

How will experiences in China instruct us on how to deal with the virus? We just signed a trade deal with them, so it will bring the countries closer. [Dodge, dodge, dodge]

John Bolton says that the agreement with the Taliban an "Obama-style deal"? Obama made a bad decision to go into Iraq. [??????????? WHO made the decision to go into Iraq? Obama didn't start EITHER of these wars, but he ended one.] No one should criticize this deal. It's time for our troops to come home. What we have done for the world is incredible, and we don't even get a thank you. Bolton was here for a year and did nothing.

What is the economic impact of the virus on the country? Do you agree with the letter the Fed released, explaining its preparations? It's about time. They should have lowered the interest rates a long time ago. [No, we shouldn't have. We need to keep that tool in place, so the Fed can reduce interest rates DURING a recession.] Now we have this problem. Germany has been pouring money into the economy for a long time. Our Fed should be a leader, not a follower. [Germany has been moving into recession, so it SHOULD be pouring more money into its economy.] We're the biggest economy by far. [Depends on how you count it. As a single country, we are. If you count the European Union as an economic bloc, they are.] China was going to overcome us in 2019, but they didn't because of "right here" (pointing to himself). [Bull. He hasn't done anything to truly "grow" the economy.] Our Fed is making us pay interest rates higher than we should, and it's ridiculous. [HE is ridiculous.]

It takes a long time for medicines to be tested.... No, this is going to go very quickly. The Monday meeting with drug companies was originally set up to discuss lowering drug pricing. Now they'll talk about both.

Pence allowed an HIV outbreak in Indiana to spiral out of control because he wouldn't do a needle exchange. What assurance can you give Americans political beliefs won't interfere with new decisions? Pence: We had two experiences with spread of diseases: MRS and HIV. The CDC worked with Indiana officials. The outbreak of HIV was in a very small town. We immediately worked to help. [Oh, bull. That's why everyone seems to remember that around here.] The CDC told Pence to allow needle exchange. [Pence told the CDC Director that he would "pray on it" and did nothing.] He only allowed 30 day needle exchange, and HIV death rates fell to normal levels. [Gee, Mike, how many lives would have been saved if you had spent your time acting rather than just "praying on it."] My experience as a governor and seeing what vital roles federal and local officials play makes me proud of the work I did in Indiana. [Surely the families of the dead are applauding you.]

Two days ago, 36 Turkish soldiers were killed in Syria. What are we doing? I talked to Erdogan. [Oh, great. There's political courage at work.]

What about the effect of the virus crisis on markets? The markets will all come back. We have to focus on this, because travel bans hurt the market. [Then why have you put up so many travel bans?] Safety is number one. Consumers have never been as well off as they are now. Our focus is on the virus, not markets. [Right....... That's why you keep screaming about the markets in your rallies?]

Are you looking at tax cuts to ease the pain? We are looking at the Fed to do its job. We want to make a middle-income tax cut later this year, but Dems will never support it. [*sigh* It's not the Fed's job to prop up your government when it has created such a massive debt.]

Hand sanitizers and other items are already in short supply.... 43 million masks are a lot. [Hm. Then why did you contact 3M and tell them to make more and more?]

Are you in arms control discussions with Europe? All of Europe wants to discuss arms control, including Russia and China. [Um, they aren't in Europe. And European countries would be CONCERNED about the US taking lethal defensive weapons out of their countries.]

How soon will troops come back from Afghanistan? Starting today. [What the.... Right. Sure. And weren't you the one screeching about Obama telling the world his timetable for removing troops from Iraq?]

Trump: We'll do these press conferences often to keep you updated on what is happening. Other countries are calling us, asking to talk to CDC and NIH directors.

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Lis - did you transcribe all that while watching the press conference? You have awesome abilities.
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Aw, thanks. Truth is that I typed it while I was watching the press conference, and then I went back and edited it to make sense. emoticon

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Aw, thanks. Truth is that I typed it while I was watching the press conference, and then I went back and edited it to make sense. emoticon



I still think you should have been a reporter, Lis.
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Yeah, that's the hard question.

Rachel Maddow just reported that the Oregon case involves a worker at Forest Hills Elementary School in the Lake Oswego School District in Oregon. The district is closing the school through March 4.

And so it begins....



Mr. Queue has a cousin who lives in Lake Oswego, and his wife is a librarian in an elementary school there. *chills down my spine*
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Wash. state sees 1st virus death in US, declares emergency

By ANDREW SELSKY | February 29, 2020

The governor of Washington declared a state of emergency Saturday after a man died there of COVID-19, the first such reported death in the United States. More than 50 people in a nursing facility are sick and being tested for the virus.

Gov. Jay Inslee directed state agencies to use “all resources necessary” to prepare for and respond to the coronavirus outbreak. The declaration also allows the use of the Washington National Guard, if necessary.

“We will continue to work toward a day where no one dies from this virus,” the governor vowed.

Health officials in California, Oregon and Washington state are worried about the novel coronavirus spreading through West Coast communities because a growing number of people are being infected despite not having visited an area where there was an outbreak, nor apparently been in contact with anyone who had.

The man who died was in his 50s, had underlying health conditions and no history of travel or contact with a known COVID-19 case, health officials in Washington state said at a news conference. A spokesperson for EvergreenHealth Medical Center, Kayse Dahl, said the person died in the facility in the Seattle suburb of Kirkland.

Dr. Frank Riedo, medical director of Infection Control at Evergreen, said local hospitals are seeing people with severe coronavirus symptoms but it’s probable that there are more cases in the community.

“This is the tip of the iceberg,” he said.

The health officials reported two cases of COVID-19 virus connected to a long-term care facility in the same suburb, Life Care Center of Kirkland. One is a Life Care worker, a woman in her 40s who is in satisfactory condition at a hospital, and the other is a woman in her 70s and a resident at Life Care who is hospitalized in serious condition. Neither had traveled abroad.

“In addition, over 50 individuals associated with Life Care are reportedly ill with respiratory symptoms or hospitalized with pneumonia or other respiratory conditions of unknown cause and are being tested for COVID-19,” Seattle and King County officials said. “Additional positive cases are expected.”

Amy Reynolds of the Washington state health department said in a brief telephone interview: “We are dealing with an emergency evolving situation.”

Much more at: https://apnews.com/f175d89567a26d59cab27725c9e8a0d7

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Aw, thanks. Truth is that I typed it while I was watching the press conference, and then I went back and edited it to make sense. emoticon


I still think you should have been a reporter, Lis.


I almost was one, Susie! emoticon

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I read this morning that 55 cases have been found in Kirkland, Washington, not far from where a friend of mine lives.

I have teeth-cleaning appointment on Tuesday. I'm not an alarmist, but it makes me uncomfortable to think of someone who has had her hands in other people's mouths putting her hands in my mouth at this time.
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I read this morning that 55 cases have been found in Kirkland, Washington, not far from where a friend of mine lives.



Yes, that's in the article I posted above.

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I have teeth-cleaning appointment on Tuesday. I'm not an alarmist, but it makes me uncomfortable to think of someone who has had her hands in other people's mouths putting her hands in my mouth at this time.



I have a teeth-cleaning appointment on Monday. They wear latex gloves and change them with every appointment. I imagine your dentist's office does, as well.

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Of course they do. I expect a dentist's chair is the cleanest place there is, outside an operating room.

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Live updates: Coronavirus was probably spreading for six weeks in Washington state, study says; first deaths confirmed in U.S., Australia and Thailand

By Paul Schemm, Rick Noack, Katie Mettler, Alex Horton, Maryl Kornfield and Derek Hawkins
March 1, 2020 at 8:38 a.m. PST


The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death from covid-19 was reported this weekend. A genetic analysis of the virus from a newly diagnosed patient in Snohomish County closely matched that of a specimen from the first known coronavirus patient in the United States, who traveled from China in January.

The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that these cases are linked through community transmission, researchers say, and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds of infections likely.

The United States, Australia and Thailand each reported their first coronavirus-related deaths over the weekend, all in the span of about 12 hours. Covid-19 has killed patients on four continents, with the global death toll climbing toward 3,000.

The first U.S. death, in Washington state, was man in his 50s with underlying health conditions, officials said. The patient had no recent travel history or contact with people known to be infected, officials said.

Officials in the Seattle area announced two cases related to a possible outbreak at a long-term nursing home, Life Care Center in Kirkland. The elderly are considered to be especially vulnerable to infection. One patient is a health-care worker in her 40s who was in satisfactory condition, according to state health officials. The other, a resident in her 70s, is in serious condition.

Earlier Saturday, the Trump administration outlined new travel restrictions affecting Iran, Italy and South Korea in response to the outbreak, and President Trump said he was considering further restrictions across the southern border.

Here are the latest developments:

*As cases mounted, the White House scrambled to gain control of a rudderless response defined by bureaucratic infighting, confusion and misinformation. “It’s complete chaos,” one senior administration official said. Vice President Pence went on CNN’s “State of the Union” Sunday to attempt to reassure the public of the administration’s response.

*The Food and Drug Administration expanded coronavirus testing by speeding up hospitals’ abilities to test, though some worried that the changes fell short in reducing logistical burdens.

*Misinformation about the disease is proving hard to contain. Roughly 2 million tweets peddled conspiracy theories about the coronavirus over the three-week period when the outbreak began to spread outside China, according to an unreleased report from an arm of the State Department.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/01/coronavirus-live-updates/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

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I expect a dentist's chair is the cleanest place there is, outside an operating room.


I hate to bring it up, but....not the chair. I've never seen anyone actually clean the chair you sit in.

The tools go through the autoclave, and the dental hygienist changes gloves, but those chairs.... And the waiting room and the receptionist's desk....

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Uh-oh. Maybe I should take along a wipe to wipe down the chair. (I can just see me doing that.)
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*shrug*

I've lived long enough.

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Inside Trump’s frantic attempts to minimize the coronavirus crisis.

"Minutes before President Trump was preparing Wednesday to reassure a skittish nation about the coronavirus threat, he received a piece of crucial information: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had identified in California the first U.S. case of the illness not tied to foreign travel, a sign that the virus’s spread in the United States was likely to explode.

But when Trump took to the lectern for a news conference intended to bring transparency to the spiraling global crisis, he made no explicit mention of the California case and its implications — and falsely suggested the virus might soon be eradicated in the United States.

“And again, when you have 15 people — and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero — that’s a pretty good job we’ve done,” he said.

Trump’s playing down of the California patient at his news conference underscores the administration’s slapdash and often misleading attempts to contain not just the virus, but also potential political damage from the outbreak — which has tanked financial markets, slowed global commerce and killed some 3,000 people worldwide, including the first U.S. death, announced Saturday.

Since Trump touched down from a two-day trip to India early Wednesday morning, the administration struggled to cope with the fallout from the crisis — shaking up and centralizing its coronavirus response team under the leadership of Vice President Pence, floating plans to stabilize the markets and publicly seeking to minimize the threat posed by the potential pandemic.

Interviews with nearly two dozen administration officials, former White House aides, public health experts and lawmakers — many speaking on the condition of anonymity to share candid assessments and details — portray a White House scrambling to gain control of a rudderless response defined by bureaucratic infighting, confusion and misinformation.

“It’s complete chaos,” a senior administration official said. “Everyone is just trying to get a handle on what the [expletive] is going on.”

A patch of turbulence
Four hours into Trump’s 18-hour trip back from India, Air Force One flew through a patch of turbulence so rough that the shaking of the plane roused some passengers from their slumber.

But Trump himself was not asleep.

Instead, aides said, the president spent the entire ride back to Washington awake, much of it watching cable television and talking with advisers and confidants about the story dominating news cycles around the world.

He grew frustrated as he watched the markets plummet and was particularly fixated on Nancy Messonnier, the director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, who in a briefing Tuesday warned that the virus’s spread to the United States was no longer a question of “if” but “exactly when this will happen.”

“We are asking the American public to prepare for the expectation that this might be bad,” Messonnier said at the time.

Trump with Vice President Pence, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and members of the Coronavirus Task Force at a White House news conference on Feb. 26. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Trump with Vice President Pence, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and members of the Coronavirus Task Force at a White House news conference on Feb. 26. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
By the time he landed at Joint Base Andrews, Trump was already furious over what he considered an alarmist response by his administration and also thought he was being treated unfairly by the media. He was eager to inject his own voice into the unfolding drama and scheduled the White House news conference for Wednesday evening.

When Trump stepped in front of the cameras, “he had not slept for a day-and-a-half, two-and-a-half” days, as acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney told a gathering of conservatives Friday morning. The president offered an account that was, by turns, misleading and sanguine.

“Well, I don’t think it’s inevitable,” Trump said, contradicting Messonnier and the health officials who spoke after him Wednesday. “It probably will, it possibly will. It could be at a very small level or it could be at a larger level. Whatever happens, we’re totally prepared.”


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I watched the press conference. As usual, he has no idea what he's talking about, but you can be sure that he will inflate his ego.
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Well, today I went to Amazon and ordered some canned chili, canned hash, and more parrot pellets, just in case there’s a mandatory quarantine of the community or if supply chains get interrupted. I won’t be surprised if there are quarantines in places, and while I wouldn’t like being cooped up in my house for a couple of weeks, I’d try not to complain, even if it’s trump giving the order.

I’m concerned about the disease because I’m at higher risk for a bad outcome because of age and health issues.
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Belle and I may have to take this more seriously before long, too. Two more cases have just been reported in King County, which is 90 miles from me on the freeway and about the same from Belle, although she's sitting on an island in Puget Sound.

Just about everything in Western Washington goes through Seattle, so we'll see what happens with supply lines, if anything.

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Live updates: Coronavirus was probably spreading for six weeks in Washington state, study says; Rhode Island announces first likely case

By Katie Mettler, Alex Horton, Meryl Kornfield and Joel Achenbach

March 1, 2020 at 12:32 p.m. PST


The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds of infections likely in the state.

Two new cases were confirmed in Washington state’s King County on Sunday, bringing that state’s total to eight. Rhode Island also announced its first probable case. If confirmed, it will be the second on the East Coast, after a previously announced case in Massachusetts. The Rhode Island patient is in his 40s and had traveled to Europe in mid-February.

The global death toll is climbing toward 3,000 on four continents. The first U.S. death, in Washington state, was man in his 50s with underlying health conditions, officials said. The patient had no recent travel history or contact with people known to be infected, officials said.

Officials in the Seattle area are monitoring a possibly outbreak at a long-term nursing home. The elderly are considered to be especially vulnerable to infection. One patient is a health-care worker in her 40s who was in satisfactory condition, according to state health officials. The other, a resident in her 70s, is in serious condition.

Earlier Saturday, the Trump administration outlined new travel restrictions affecting Iran, Italy and South Korea in response to the outbreak, and President Trump said he was considering further restrictions across the southern border.

Here are the latest developments:

    *Two new cases were confirmed in Washington state in King County on Sunday, bringing that state’s total to eight. Rhode Island also announced its first probable case.
    *As cases mounted, the White House scrambled to gain control of a rudderless response defined by bureaucratic infighting, confusion and misinformation. “It’s complete chaos,” one senior administration official said.
    *Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said Sunday that the administration is watching for possible drug shortages from disruptions to the pharmaceutical supply chain in China.
    *New cases have been announced in the Middle East as governments there try to control the spread.
    *The FDA expanded coronavirus testing by speeding up hospitals’ abilities to test, though some worried that the changes fell short. The number of confirmed cases is likely to increase given the expansion in testing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/01/coronavirus-live-updates/

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I’d try not to complain, even if it’s trump giving the order.


I am pretty confident that the order would come from your state and/or local health departments. The federal government wouldn't have nearly the manpower available to pinpoint particular communities to quarantine -- and state and/or local law enforcement would have to enforce that quarantine.

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Re: Coronavirus


On State of the Union this morning, Jake Tapper had Mike Pence on as his first guest. Jake asked a lot of softball questions, just trying to get the relevant information out to his audience.

Then he played Trump Jr's stupid interview with Fox and Friends, saying this whole thing is the Democrats hoping that the virus will spread across the United States and kill millions of people, all so that they can get Trump out of office.

When the clip ended, Jake Tapper generously gave Pence a way out, saying that he didn't expect Pence to contradict Trump or Trump, Jr. Tapper said, "But can't we agree that neither Republicans nor Democrats want to see people die from this virus for any reason?"

And pandering Pence said, "Well, we've been saying that we don't want this virus to be weaponized, and people on the left have to stop using this as a political weapon." Tapper said that this crap was coming from the right, as well, and Pence simply denied it. Grrrrrrrrrrrr....

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Just one voice.... Singing in the darkness....
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