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I didn't have a chance to talk to Mom last night, so when I got home this afternoon, I asked what she thought about the Op/Ed and who she thought wrote it.

Her answer?

Mike Pence.



Is that because of the use of the word "lodestar" or other reasons?

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The New York Times is reporting that the White House has a list of about 12 suspects who they believe might have written the Op/Ed.

"Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, an ally of Mr. Trump's, recommended that the president force members of his administration to take polygraph examinations, and there was at least briefly some discussion of that among advisers to the president."

Erm, could someone please tell me where Sen. Paul turns in his Libertarian card? Calling for government to MANDATE LIE DETECTOR TESTS???

Says the same guy who doesn't think the government should be able to tell corporations that they can't pour poison into rivers. Cuz that's an overreach of government power.



I had much the same thought about Rand Paul and his Libertarian bona fides. I think his principles are... um... flexible.


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No, she didn't even pick up on the word "lodestar." I had to explain that to her.

She said it just sounded like the way he talks. And it would be a great way for him to become president without having to work for it. (The same way he became vice president without having to work for it, when his dream of running in 2016 imploded with the passage of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.)

She's right on both of those counts.

As she has watched more news programs today, she's starting to move away from the idea of Pence, but isn't sure who.

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The New York Times is reporting that the White House has a list of about 12 suspects who they believe might have written the Op/Ed.

"Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, an ally of Mr. Trump's, recommended that the president force members of his administration to take polygraph examinations, and there was at least briefly some discussion of that among advisers to the president."

Erm, could someone please tell me where Sen. Paul turns in his Libertarian card? Calling for government to MANDATE LIE DETECTOR TESTS???

Says the same guy who doesn't think the government should be able to tell corporations that they can't pour poison into rivers. Cuz that's an overreach of government power.



I had much the same thought about Rand Paul and his Libertarian bona fides. I think his principles are... um... flexible.



"Flexible" is a very generous word. emoticon

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I find it VERY interesting (and not at ALL surprising) that Trump's staff was printing off and bringing him copies of each denial as it was published. No doubt their effusive praise of Trump, intended to make sure he crossed them off the list of suspects, soothed his bruised ego.

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No, she didn't even pick up on the word "lodestar." I had to explain that to her.

She said it just sounded like the way he talks. And it would be a great way for him to become president without having to work for it. (The same way he became vice president without having to work for it, when his dream of running in 2016 imploded with the passage of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.)

She's right on both of those counts.

As she has watched more news programs today, she's starting to move away from the idea of Pence, but isn't sure who.



That's really interesting. You Hoosiers would be more familiar with Pence's word choices than the rest of us.


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Ack! I've got a post over at the Trump Admin. thread that belongs here.

Trump officials use Times op-ed to knife people they hate.

"Trumpworld sources tell Axios that officials rapidly shifted from trying to smoke out the author of the anonymous N.Y. Times op-ed, to using the guessing game to knife people they already hated — whispering the names of rivals and enemies as potential authors.

By last night, MSNBC counted 27 senior officials in the Trump administration (to use The Times' formulation) who had issued denials.

Here's my bet, which is contrarian to a lot of what you'll hear: There's a lot of speculation that The Times puffed up the person's importance, but I think the official actually is indisputably "senior."

Here's why: If I'm The Times, I know that publishing the anonymous blast is going to be controversial. I assume the person will be unmasked, perhaps sooner rather than later. And I don't want to look like a dope when the identity is known. If it weren't an actual big fish, I'd have a "fake news" problem.
How many suspects? "Paul Light, a New York University professor and expert on the federal bureaucracy, said about 50 people could have legitimately written the column," per AP.

"Martha Joynt Kumar, director of the White House Transition Project, meanwhile, puts the number of true senior administration officials at around 100."

P.S. "Trump especially liked the statement by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo," per the WashPost:

"While traveling in India, Pompeo criticized the 'liberal newspaper' and described the anonymous editorial as 'a disgruntled, deceptive, bad actor’s word.'"


Source.

This could lead to a new and different "Saturday Night Massacre" as debts get settled and enemies gotten rid of.

The Mix will have to delete the other one. I couldn't.
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No surprise that the Trump Administration would use this as an excuse to clean house.

But...from all accounts, the New York Times would not have risked its reputation and credibility by publishing such an op/ed from a low- or mid-level employee. Even the Assistant Editor of the Washington Post op/ed page said that the NYT editorial staff would have only afforded this opportunity to an EXTREMELY senior person.

This person WILL be exposed at some point. The fact that the Times was contacted by an intermediary says that there are at LEAST three people involved in this (writer, intermediary, NYT op/ed page editor). No doubt people are trying to hack into communications (email or phone) to find connections.

Apparently at some point, Trump said that the only people he could trust anymore is his own children.

Wasn't that ALWAYS the case?

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(CNN) - White House aides narrow search for anonymous op-ed writer to a few people, source says

...Following the op-ed's release, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders tweeted: "The media's wild obsession with the identity of the anonymous coward is recklessly tarnishing the reputation of thousands of great Americans who proudly serve our country and work for President Trump. Stop."


Hey, Sarah. Don't look right now, but NO ONE has a more "wild obsession with the identity" than your boss.

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Everybody who announced that they did not blow the whistle announced at the same time their fealty to Donald Trump. Trump must have been thrilled. If they, who swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, are staying to control the bad behavior of the President they are violating that oath, imo. I was happy to see President Obama say essentially the same thing when he spoke.
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I agree completely, Brick.

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How ‘The Caine Mutiny’ and the paranoid Capt. Queeg contributed to the debate over the 25th Amendment

By Meagan Flynn
September 10

The USS Caine was on the verge of foundering, nearly drowning in the waves of a typhoon in the middle of the Pacific and Captain Queeg looked scared.

The neurotic naval officer, played by Humphrey Bogart in the 1954 Oscar-nominated movie “The Caine Mutiny,” clung to the ship like it was going under while his crew yelled out to him for orders. It seemed Queeg was testing their last nerve.

The crew, as of late, believed the captain was out of his mind. He had recently ordered a sweeping investigation into who ate a missing quart of strawberries from the kitchen. He ordered the sailors to search for a nonexistent secret key to the icebox, believing it would lead to the thief. Now the captain was frozen in fear — believing he had everything under control.

“Captain, I’m sorry, but you’re a sick man,” executive officer Stephen Maryk told him at the climax of the movie, based on the Pulitzer Prize-winning novel by Herman Wouk. “I’m relieving you as captain of this ship under Article 184.”
The scene was unforgettable for Bogart’s bug-eyed portrayal of a man wielding power gone mad.

For a certain group of lawyers and lawmakers in the 1950s and ’60s it was an unforgettable lesson as they sat down to draft the 25th Amendment, which provided an alternative to impeachment for removing an incapacitated president. They didn’t want a similar situation — an “Article 184″ in the amendment — where a vice president or others could simply usurp the commander-in-chief’s power at the mere utterance of the word “disabled,” explained John D. Feerick, professor and former dean of Fordham School of Law, who assisted in drafting the amendment in the 1960s.

The film was a “live depiction,” Feerick told The Washington Post, of the type of crisis that could arise if a president ever faced questions about physical or mental inabilities but disagreed completely with the judgment.”

Section 4 of the amendment, describes who makes the decision in the event the president won’t step aside himself: the cabinet and the vice president. Should the president disagree with them, Congress must vote to strip the president of his or her powers by two-thirds majority, protecting against internal political coups, Feerick said.

Since President Trump has taken office, Section 4 of the 25th Amendment has emerged as a favorite hypothetical among his political adversaries. So how would a president be declared “disabled” — and importantly, by whom?

The question of the meaning of “incapacity” and “disability,” and who’s to judge it, was first posed in 1787 during the Constitutional Convention that drafted the document. But the words, while raised, never made it into the text. During a 1956 hearing on the “problem of presidential inability” before the House Committee on the Judiciary, Arthur E. Sutherland, a Harvard law professor, described how “The Caine Mutiny” shaped his understanding of that problem.

Feerick would have a similar conversation with the American Bar Association during a 1964 Washington conference intended to assist Congress in drafting the 25th Amendment.

The amendment was proposed by Congress in 1965 and was finally adopted in February 1967.

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How ‘The Caine Mutiny’ and the paranoid Capt. Queeg contributed to the debate over the 25th Amendment




That was fascinating, Belle. I had no idea "The Caine Mutiny" played a role in the 25th Amendment.

Thanks!

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Awesome, Belle! I wasn't aware of that either. I suppose that I should have been, but I was a long way from law school then.

I've been using Queeg's shuffling his steel balls in his pocket in some Trump posts. I was assuming that some people anyway would get it.......lol.
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Huh! I had never heard that, either. I know there was specific discussion of Wilson, whose wife and advisors carried on in his absence because he was disabled -- but not dead. But interesting that the film would have prompted the writers of the 25th Amendment to think of it. It's a necessary amendment.

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Lest you think that the crush of current demands on the government has allowed Trump to forget about the Ukraine investigation -- and stop taking retribution on his "enemies" -- he reminds us tonight that it still occupies his headspace.

(NBC News) - Trump firing intelligence community inspector general who flagged Ukraine whistleblower complaint

President Donald Trump notified Congress on Friday that he is removing Michael K. Atkinson, the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community who flagged the Ukraine whistleblower complaint. The firing will take effect 30 days from today, according to a letter obtained by NBC News. “It is vital that I have the fullest confidence in the appointees serving as Inspectors General. That is no longer the case with this Inspector General,” Trump said in a letter to Congress.

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Trump is a scurrilous son-of-a-!@#$.

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Trump is a scurrilous son-of-a-!@#$.



He's worse than that!
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Oh, and he was EXTREMELY vicious at the Trump Show this afternoon. He went on and on about the IG doing a terrible job (and then went on to say he didn't even know him), and he STILL wants to find the whistleblower.

And then Trump went on to say, "Someone ought to sue his ass off."

Lovely.

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