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I knew The Miz would be on this.

I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed with someone who doesn't have the guts to stand up and be counted. This won't make one bit of difference to the people overall in this country.

The members of The Trump Party will love him more and although it will fire up the Progressives, what good will it do? Something more has to happen. As it is, Trump will remain in office and little if anything will change.

I'm sure that Pence is smiling at the possibilities of his Theocracy.



I’m neither impressed nor unimpressed with this dude, but I feel better knowing that there are people inside the WH trying to contain the damage trump can inflict.


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Y'all are going to have to carry the load for me. I'm a little busy right now.
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A little relief from the doom and gloom...


Mattis to Spicer: ‘I’ve killed people for a living. If you call me again, I’m going to f--king send you to Afghanistan’

By: J.D. Simkins | September 5, 2018


Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis didn’t favorably receive former Press Secretary Sean Spicer’s repeated requests to get the retired Marine Corps general to appear on numerous talk shows, according to an excerpt from Bob Woodward’s upcoming book, “Fear: Trump in the White House."

According to one passage in the book, an exasperated Mattis, having answered “no” a number of times already, lashed out at Spicer, who is an officer in the Navy Reserve.

“Sean, I’ve killed people for a living," the secretary of defense said. "If you call me again, I’m going to f--king send you to Afghanistan. Are we clear?”

Much more at: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/09/05/mattis-to-spicer-ive-killed-people-for-a-living-if-you-call-me-again-im-going-to-f-king-send-you-to-afghanistan/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=Socialflow+AIR

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A little relief from the doom and gloom...


Mattis to Spicer: ‘I’ve killed people for a living. If you call me again, I’m going to f--king send you to Afghanistan’

By: J.D. Simkins | September 5, 2018


Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis didn’t favorably receive former Press Secretary Sean Spicer’s repeated requests to get the retired Marine Corps general to appear on numerous talk shows, according to an excerpt from Bob Woodward’s upcoming book, “Fear: Trump in the White House."

According to one passage in the book, an exasperated Mattis, having answered “no” a number of times already, lashed out at Spicer, who is an officer in the Navy Reserve.

“Sean, I’ve killed people for a living," the secretary of defense said. "If you call me again, I’m going to f--king send you to Afghanistan. Are we clear?”

Much more at: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/09/05/mattis-to-spicer-ive-killed-people-for-a-living-if-you-call-me-again-im-going-to-f-king-send-you-to-afghanistan/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=Socialflow+AIR



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Deep Throat provided specific instances of violations of criminal laws, including names and the instances where these violations took place. That's different from saying the President is nuts.



The difference here is that the point of the Op/Ed isn't violation of laws; it's a case for psychological incapacity to serve in office. I actually think that is even more dangerous.

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Initially, I felt grateful that Secretary Mattis overrode Trump's command and took a more measured approach. However, as I thought about the military choosing to disregard an order from the President, I asked myself how I would feel about the military deciding not to obey a President -- any President. How is this not the next thing to a military coup?

Trump's actions are not the only troubling things revealed in this book.



I have been absolutely fascinated by the stories now being shared by presidential historians on CNN and MSNBC. I've heard various stories from various historians, so I am not sure exactly sure who attribute these to.

In the last weeks of the Nixon Administration, once it became apparent Nixon would have to resign, he lost it. He was getting drunk every night, not sleeping, making drunken, rambling phone calls to executive branch officials.... And apparently there were whispers even then about potentially invoking the 25th Amendment.

Executive branch officials were especially concerned about the possibility of Nixon ordering the military to surround the White House, preventing his removal from office. So Secretary of Defense James Schlessinger told the Joint Chiefs of Staff to NOT take any military orders directly from the President; HE would have to sign off on any directions for military action.

Like you, I have concerns about the military not following the commands of the Commander-in-Chief. But I have even greater concerns about the military BLINDLY following the commands of the Commander-in-Chief. Just as soldiers are told they are not required to follow illegal orders, the military HAS to place the Constitution and the security of the country and its people above the commands of a leader who may use the military to preserve his personal power.

We need those checks and balances.... And if Mattis would be working with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I would be comfortable with that.

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I'm sure that Pence is smiling at the possibilities of his Theocracy.



Very interesting that a little bit ago, CNN ran a whole series of statements made by Pence in which he used the word "lodestar." I've seen a mountain of political coverage over the years, and I don't think I've EVER seen that term used by anyone. And it sure stood out in that statement as an odd word.

I also watched Pence's denial this morning that he wrote the Op/Ed. Weak. He spent most of the denial attacking the New York Times and called the writer a coward -- while massaging Trump's ego again. I've seen Pence come out like a pit bull -- and this wasn't it.

I stand by my conjecture.

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I believe it was Jon Meecham who told that story about Nixon last night on one of the evening shows (I saw Rachel and stayed up for Lawrence and Brian).
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I’m neither impressed nor unimpressed with this dude, but I feel better knowing that there are people inside the WH trying to contain the damage trump can inflict.



And that is the bottom line for me, Birdz. People all over the place (left AND right) are saying that if this person really has the courage of his/her convictions, s/he should resign.

Why?

This person is explaining that s/he is working WITH OTHERS in the White House to try to LIMIT what Trump is doing. I WANT that person in place -- and keep it up!

(Trust me, if a Democrat this dangerous were serving as president, I would hold the same sentiments.)

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I believe it was Jon Meecham who told that story about Nixon last night on one of the evening shows (I saw Rachel and stayed up for Lawrence and Brian).



Thanks so much, Belle! No doubt you're right. I saw the tail end of Lawrence, most of Brian, and then Rachel and Lawrence on the reruns.

I couldn't remember if it was Meecham or Beschloss or someone else. Didn't want to mis-attribute. emoticon

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Trump tweet: Does the so-called “Senior Administration Official” really exist, or is it just the Failing New York Times with another phony source? If the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once!


1. The New York Times is not a law enforcement agency.

2. Even if it were, on what charges?

3. Hello, First Amendment! Did someone threaten national security here?

On Nicolle Wallace's show this afternoon, the panel was discussing that White House staff sources are telling them that Trump is trying to get the FBI to investigate who wrote this.

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Trump Tweet: TREASON?



#DonTheCon's response to Trump's tweet:

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Geeze, I don't get anything these days.

Who is "DonTheCon" as distinguished from Trump? And what does that have to do with Hillary and Obama?

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Love it!
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Deep Throat provided specific instances of violations of criminal laws, including names and the instances where these violations took place. That's different from saying the President is nuts.



The difference here is that the point of the Op/Ed isn't violation of laws; it's a case for psychological incapacity to serve in office. I actually think that is even more dangerous.



I'm hip, but whistling in the wind usually results in the sounds of silence.
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Geeze, I don't get anything these days.

Who is "DonTheCon" as distinguished from Trump? And what does that have to do with Hillary and Obama?



Sorry, Robbie. #DonTheCon is the Twitter name of some guy who posted the picture of Hillary and Obama. He's really irrelevant; I just wanted to be sure to give proper credit. The Obama/Hillary "response" to Trump was what tickled me.

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Thank you, once again, Lis.

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You're welcome. emoticon

I didn't have a chance to talk to Mom last night, so when I got home this afternoon, I asked what she thought about the Op/Ed and who she thought wrote it.

Her answer?

Mike Pence.

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He's definitely getting some votes. I have no idea. I'm kind of convoluted about this whole thing.
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The New York Times is reporting that the White House has a list of about 12 suspects who they believe might have written the Op/Ed.

"Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, an ally of Mr. Trump's, recommended that the president force members of his administration to take polygraph examinations, and there was at least briefly some discussion of that among advisers to the president."

Erm, could someone please tell me where Sen. Paul turns in his Libertarian card? Calling for government to MANDATE LIE DETECTOR TESTS???

Says the same guy who doesn't think the government should be able to tell corporations that they can't pour poison into rivers. Cuz that's an overreach of government power.

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