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CNN's banner headline says, "The Pentagon announces the US killed Iranian military leader in a strike."




"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."

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I wonder how that prohibition applies in times of war? Officially, this isn't a time of war, but the administration claims they had learned that "Suleimani was developing plans to attack U.S. diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region, [the Defense Department] said in a statement."

How do they know what Suleimani was planning?


Second question first. I know military and intelligence officials have talked for a long time about the difficulty of getting agents into the Middle East, because all of these networks are people who are related or who have known each other their whole lives. They don't let newcomers in. By saying they "knew" what Suleimani was planning, they have surely exposed an intelligence source. I only hope that American forces got him/her out before the attack took place.

First question second. I know very little about the law in this area, but as I've been thinking about it tonight, I finally remembered that I had seen this in a West Wing episode. Apparently the distinction was that if a leader happened to be killed as the consequence of a general attack, that was okay. But for the president to precisely assassinate an official was not....

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And...something to think about.

Wendy Sherman (former undersecretary of state) said tonight that this doesn't necessarily indicate a counterattack in the Middle East. The counterattack could come anywhere.

Remember when Iran had gotten its tentacles into our entire electrical grid of the United States?

Imagine the chaos and widespread destruction they could create in the US by taking out our power nationwide.

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The idea that we "knew" what he was planning and are saying so publically is typical Trump. Making himself look tough and good when that could well compromise an important asset or assets. Rest assured that heads will roll.

I have always been scared that he will get us into a shooting war over there or in Korea.
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I have always been scared that he will get us into a shooting war over there or in Korea.



Well, he just did.

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I wonder how that prohibition applies in times of war? Officially, this isn't a time of war, but the administration claims they had learned that "Suleimani was developing plans to attack U.S. diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region, [the Defense Department] said in a statement."

How do they know what Suleimani was planning?



I don’t know. But I do know that Trump and his minions lie at every turn without compunction. They can claim anything they want in this instance. Who is to say otherwise? “Remember the Maine”.

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How very sad it is that I so distrust our government as to suspect an ulterior motive in such a pivotal event on the world stage. I would not be surprised to learn that this is an orchestrated crisis designed to distract the people from the impeachment. But this is where we are.
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Trump in 2011. Who knew he was really talking about himself, rather than Obama?



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(CNN) - US to deploy thousands of additional troops to Middle East following Soleimani killing

The US will deploy thousands of additional troops to the Middle East as tensions with Iran mount following the airstrike that killed Qasem Soleimani, a US defense official told CNN.

The additional troops will come from the Immediate Response Force of the 82nd Airborne Division. CNN has previously reported that these forces had been placed on prepare-to-deploy orders and would be sent to the region if the situation merited it.

Following the disturbance at the US embassy in Baghdad, the US deployed 750 troops from the same unit and said that additional deployments were possible. The new deployment will encompass the rest of the brigade, typically about 3,000 soldiers.



The ENTIRE 82nd airborne division is on its way to war....

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How very sad it is that I so distrust our government as to suspect an ulterior motive in such a pivotal event on the world stage. I would not be surprised to learn that this is an orchestrated crisis designed to distract the people from the impeachment. But this is where we are.



It's that bad with The Trump Party. I believe they will do anything to hold on to power. I just read earlier this week where more is coming to try to keep people from voting who normally vote for Democrats. It has been and still is blatant in North Carolina.
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It is all just SO distressing.... For more than a quarter of a century, I taught students how the work of the founders through limits on power and checks and balances could effectively prevent an irrational autocrat from abusing power, particularly with respect to the military.

All it took was a narcissistic psychopath and a cadre of enablers to nearly destroy it all.

Thank heavens for the "deep state" or loyal Americans who serve us all as public servants (whatever you want to call them) to expose and try to prevent them from destroying the republic.

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How very sad it is that I so distrust our government as to suspect an ulterior motive in such a pivotal event on the world stage. I would not be surprised to learn that this is an orchestrated crisis designed to distract the people from the impeachment. But this is where we are.



I'm equally sad to agree with you.

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Malcolm Nance
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2nd US drone strike targets and kills unknown Militia commander outside of
 #Taji. Trump trying to kill off all Iraqi commanders of Iranian backed militias
 groups. If their 150,000 Iraqi members were furious before now they’ll be
 fanatical. Prepare for large scale retaliation.-M.N

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It seems clear to me that this President is flying by the seat of his pants in virtually every decision he makes and there are no checks imposed or even suggested by his Cabinet. Even in a situation as perilous as this one is in terms of geopolitical stability, I don’t believe that he is being advised of the possible, even probable long term consequences. Not that it would do any good.
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Or maybe he is being advised, but because he believes himself to be smarter than the generals, he's ignoring it. I agree with you that he's flying by the seat of his pants because that's what he always does.

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There is that, Robbie.
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He's living in a dream world where he is the world's big dog and in charge of everything. Only he can make things right.
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Sanders to introduce legislation blocking Iran war funding

January 4, 2020

Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Ro Khanna have announced legislation to prohibit any funding for offensive military force in or against Iran without prior congressional authorization.

In a statement, Sanders and Khanna said war with Iran could cost “countless lives and trillions more dollars and lead to even more deaths.”

“Today, we are seeing a dangerous escalation that brings us closer to another disastrous war in the Middle East,” they said.

“War must be the last recourse in our international relations. That is why our Founding Fathers gave the responsibility over war to Congress. Congressional inaction in the face of the threat of a catastrophic and unconstitutional Middle East conflict is not acceptable.”

“After authorizing a disastrous, $738 billion military budget that placed no restrictions on this president from starting an unauthorized war with Iran, Congress now has an opportunity to change course. Our legislation blocks Pentagon funding for any unilateral actions this president takes to wage war against Iran without Congressional authorization.”

“We know that it will ultimately be the children of working-class families who will have to fight and die in a new Middle East conflict, not the children of the billionaire class. At a time when we face the urgent need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, to build the housing we desperately need, and to address the existential crisis of climate change, we as a nation must get our priorities right. The House and Senate should pass our legislation immediately and uphold our constitutional responsibilities. We must invest in the needs of the American people, not spend trillions more on endless wars.”

Earlier Friday, Sanders condemned the assassination of Qassem Soleimani, who headed the foreign arm of Iran’s elite military force.

“Trump’s dangerous escalation brings us closer to another disastrous war in the Middle East that could cost countless lives and trillions more dollars,” the Vermont Senator said in a statement.

https://berniepost.com/2020/01/sanders-to-introduce-legislation-blocking-iran-war-funding/

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It seems clear to me that this President is flying by the seat of his pants in virtually every decision he makes and there are no checks imposed or even suggested by his Cabinet. Even in a situation as perilous as this one is in terms of geopolitical stability, I don’t believe that he is being advised of the possible, even probable long term consequences. Not that it would do any good.


I think you're right about this, Brick, that it won't do any good. Like Robbie, I would expect that SOME people around him are trying to explain what is happening and warning of the potential reactions to his actions. But he's ignoring them because of his superior intellect.

I'm listening to a number of people calling for the Administration to explain the purported imminent terroristic act that propelled Trump to attack. While I think he SHOULD share that in a closed session (and the members of Congress keep their mouths shut), I don't think that is information the public should have. We can't compromise sources and methods. And the power to enable or stop the President rests with Congress.

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He apparently only gave info to the GOP members of the bi-partisan Group Of Eight that he's supposed to keep informed of incidents like this.
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