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Well said, Brick. The Trump supporters I know absolutely frighten me.

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I'm afraid that wouldn't bother me as much as it ought to bother me.

Trump properties could become Iranian targets

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January 6, 2020

There’s a unique set of targets Iran is likely eyeing as it contemplates retaliation for the U.S. killing of a top Iranian general in Iraq on Jan. 2: Trump Organization properties in 11 countries outside the United States.

President Trump’s real-estate company owns or manages buildings bearing the Trump name in Canada, Dubai, India, Indonesia, Ireland, the Philippines, Scotland, South Korea, St. Martin, Turkey and Uruguay. Those properties are all listed on the company’s website.

“[Iran] will look for the most opportune chance to strike back in a way that hurts President Trump personally,” Iran scholar Suzanne Maloney of the Brookings Institution said on a recent Lawfare podcast. “I will assume security around any Trump property is enhanced.”

On Jan. 5, an Iranian official who advises the country’s president hinted that Iran is, in fact, tracking Trump properties. Hesameddin Ashena, who runs the Iranian president’s research outfit, posted a tweet, without comment, linking to a Forbes web page on Trump’s personal wealth that lists 19 Trump properties, mostly in the United States. The Trump Organization owns those properties. Most of the firm’s international properties are owned by others, with the Trump Organization branding and managing them.

“We have ZERO problems with the American people,” Ashena wrote, in English, in a separate tweet. “Our sole problem is Trump. In the event of war, it is he who will bear full responsibility.”

The Trump Organization did not respond to Yahoo Finance questions about security enhancements at properties it owns or manages.

An Iranian attack on a Trump property in the United States would be an overt act of terrorism likely to trigger an aggressive U.S. military response that could be devastating for Iran. It might also generate domestic support for Trump and help him get reelected if it occurred before the November election. If Iran denied responsibility for such an attack, suspicion would fall on them anyway and it might not matter.

An attack on a Trump property outside the United States might be different, since the United States wouldn’t automatically be able to characterize it as a violation of U.S. sovereignty. Foreign investigators might bungle the investigation into who did it. The United States could retaliate militarily against Iran as an ally, but that would be odd if it were in association with a country like Indonesia or the Philippines that isn’t a normal military partner and might not even want U.S. assistance.

Security experts point out that in addition to conventional military assets such as missiles, mines and submarines, Iran has cyberwarfare capabilities and could cause digital disruption. Cyber attacks could narrowly target individual organizations or aim to cause havoc by disabling power grids or other essential infrastructure.

Iranian-backed militias are known mainly for the trouble they cause in other parts of the Middle East, such as Yemen, Lebanon and Syria. But Iran has gone much further from home in the past to avenge perceived grievances. The Iranian proxy group Hezbollah planned and carried out two attacks on Jewish and Israeli sites in Buenos Aires, Argentina in 1992 and 1994 that killed more than 100 and injured hundreds more. The trigger for those attacks was Argentina’s suspension of cooperation on nuclear technology with Iran.

The theocratic nation faces tough choices in weighing how to respond to the U.S. airstrike that killed Iranian general Qassem Soleimani and five others as they were leaving the Baghdad airport on Jan. 2. Trump has threatened devastating retaliation for any attack that harms Americans and can be traced to Iran. And Iran would be the immediate suspect in a covert attack. “There will be a carefully calibrated response over the long term,” says Maloney of the Brookings Institution. “With an eye to what serves their interests best.”

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I read a couple of articles this morning that said that the Iranian missiles actually caused very little damage to US facilities. So while the Iranian government told its people that it had killed 30 American soldiers and "flattened" a base, in fact, it hadn't. So the allowed Iranians to claim it had concluded its retribution for the US attack, while allowing Trump the ability to STOP this right now.




I was thinking about this earlier. Kinda made me wonder which government is lying to its people.

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Trump's speech: Before even saying "Good morning," Trump thundered that Iran will never have nuclear weapons.

I wonder if that was ad-libbed or if it really was in the prepared speech.

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quote:

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I read a couple of articles this morning that said that the Iranian missiles actually caused very little damage to US facilities. So while the Iranian government told its people that it had killed 30 American soldiers and "flattened" a base, in fact, it hadn't. So the allowed Iranians to claim it had concluded its retribution for the US attack, while allowing Trump the ability to STOP this right now.




I was thinking about this earlier. Kinda made me wonder which government is lying to its people.



I wonder too.
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Me, three.

Looks like the briefing went VERY badly....

(CNN) - 'The worst briefing I've had': Senate Iran briefing gets heated

Senate Democrats -- and two key GOP senators -- slammed a classified briefing Wednesday on the strike that killed Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani, charging that administration officials failed to provide evidence to show the attack was imminent and dismissed the role Congress should play in deciding to take military action.

The sharpest of the criticism came from two of President Donald Trump's Senate allies: Republican Sens. Mike Lee of Utah and Rand Paul of Kentucky. Lee said after the briefing that it was the "worst briefing I've had on a military issue" during his nine years in the Senate.

In an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room" on Wednesday, Paul said the briefing was "an insult to the Constitution."

"In the briefing and in public, this administration has argued that the vote to topple Saddam Hussein in 2002 applies to military action in Iraq. That is absurd," Paul told Blitzer. "Nobody in their right mind -- with a straight face, with an ounce of honesty -- can argue when Congress voted to go after Saddam Hussein in 2002 that (they) authorized military force against an Iranian general 18 years later."

Paul later added, "There was no specific information given to us of a specific attack. Generality -- stuff that you read in the newspaper. I didn't learn anything in the hearing that I hadn't seen in a newspaper already."

‪Lee called the way the briefing played out "un-American" and "completely unacceptable," given that the administration suggested that Congress shouldn't have a role in approving Iran military action. He said the administration would not commit to a new Authorization for Use of Military Force or a cite a reason for coming to Congress before taking military action.

"At one point one of the briefers said something like, 'Don't worry, we'll consult you,'" Lee said. "Consultation isn't a constitutional declaration of war. Drive-by notification or after the fact lame briefings like the one we just received are inadequate."

Paul and Lee also announced they would support the War Powers resolution sponsored by Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, which would limit the President's ability to use military force in Iran.

Four senators in the room said the briefing became tense and heated amid repeated questions from senators about the intelligence regarding how imminent a future attack would be and the legal justification for striking Iran.

The administration representatives ended up leaving before all questions were asked -- departing after the allotted time of 90 minutes. Several senators, including Lee, said the briefing itself lasted 75 minutes.


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I watched Trump's speech...replay...late yesterday afternoon and I thought he looked and sounded like he was on drugs. It could also be that he has simply been told in no uncertain terms what he won't do and what is the best thing to do. It certainly isn't vintage Trump.

Maybe he's woken up for a change. Whatever the case, I'm fine basically with where we are right now.
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Trump's speech: Before even saying "Good morning," Trump thundered that Iran will never have nuclear weapons.

I wonder if that was ad-libbed or if it really was in the prepared speech.


The more I think about this, the more my mind has come to a supposition:

I'll bet Trump really wanted that in his speech, but his speechwriters knew that he COULDN'T make a promise like that -- because that tape would be played back in the future, when Iran DOES have nuclear weapons.

So I'm guessing the speechwriters insisted on taking it out -- and Trump stuck it right back in from the top, when no one could stop him.

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That sounds very plausible, Lis.

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Funny thing.....he has trashed Obama left and right on Iran, and now look where he is. Obama reprised.
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(NBC News) - Sultan Qaboos bin Said, who modernized Oman, dies at 79

The Sultan of Oman, Qaboos bin Said, an esteemed mediator and broker in a deeply divided region, has died. He was 79.

The long-time sultan has ruled over Oman, a Gulf state situated on the southeastern edge of the Arabian Peninsula, for almost fifty years after overthrowing his father in a bloodless coup in 1970.

The state-run Oman News Agency announced his death late Friday on its official Twitter account. The royal court declared three days of mourning.

The elderly ruler returned to Oman in December after seeking medical treatment in Belgium, according to Reuters. He has traveled abroad for medical reasons at least twice since 2014, the news agency reported.

The news agency mourned the death of the Sultan and praised the “towering renaissance” he had presided over. It said his “balanced policy” of mediating between rival camps in a volatile region had earned the world's respect.



Apparently he was the primary mediator between the US and Iran. How difficult a balance THAT must have been! Is there anyone else who can step in to mediate now, in such a critical time?

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Oh, good heavens.

Apparently in an interview this morning, Secretary of State Esper said that there was NO intelligence demonstrating that Soleimani planned to attack US embassies at all (as Trump had said).

Esper went on to say that what was important is that Trump BELIEVED Soleimani was about to strike US embassies.

Lovely. So they're now ADMITTING that facts are entirely irrelevant. What Trump believes in his poor excuse for a brain is what should prompt all of our actions.

Can you SEE the Kool-Aid stains on Esper's face???

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Can you SEE the Kool-Aid stains on Esper's face???



I can see the pink slip Esper just got.

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(Time) - Defense Secretary Mark Esper Says He 'Didn't See' Evidence That 4 U.S. Embassies Were Under Threat From Iran

Defense Secretary Mark Esper explicitly said Sunday that he had seen no hard evidence that four American embassies had been under possible threat when President Donald Trump authorized the targeting of Iran’s top commander. Members of Trump’s national security team tried to amplify voices of dissent in Iran by suggesting that the Islamic Republic is facing internal threat after denying and then admitting it shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane....

Both Esper and O’Brien said they agreed that Iran might have hit more than just the U.S. Embassy in the Iraqi capital. But Esper, when asked whether there was a specific piece of evidence, replied: “I didn’t see one with regard to four embassies.” And in response to a question about whether Trump was “embellishing” the threat, Esper said, ”I don’t believe so.”...

Esper was pressed to comment on Trump’s statement in a Fox News interview that the president believed Soleimani had been plotting to attack four U.S. embassies. Esper said he shared the belief that Soleimani was planning attacks on multiple U.S. facilities, but Esper did not say these included four embassies.

While seeking to defend Trump’s remarks as representing the president’s personal belief, not an assertion of a specific piece of hard intelligence that four embassies had been targeted, Esper indicated there was no such piece of evidence.

“I didn’t see one with regard to four embassies,” Esper said. “What I’m saying is I share the president’s view that probably — my expectation was they were going to go after our embassies. The embassies are the most prominent display of American presence in a country.”


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From Lis’ cite: While seeking to defend Trump’s remarks as representing the president’s personal belief, not an assertion of a specific piece of hard intelligence that four embassies had been targeted, Esper indicated there was no such piece of evidence.

“I didn’t see one with regard to four embassies,” Esper said. “What I’m saying is I share the president’s view that probably — my expectation was they were going to go after our embassies. The embassies are the most prominent display of American presence in a country.”


And that can be characterized as an imminent threat in what language?
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And that can be characterized as an imminent threat in what language?



Trumpese, of course, which has only the best words.

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And that can be characterized as an imminent threat in what language?



Trumpese, of course, which has only the best words.



Of course. 🤞😎



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