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I agree. However, a lot of damage can be done before the next voting opportunity arises. And if the damage results from criminal behavior, is the country powerless to act until the next election?




I agree. Look at what Obamacare and over-reaching regulations did to our economy until we could get Republicans back in charge of Congress.

Look, we are in a divided two-party world with absolutely no middle ground on which we can operate. 75% of Democrats, 98% of elected Democrats, and maybe 100% of this board's Democrats can not name one thing that they would say "Well done, Mr. President."

And I have little doubt that if the Democrats had control of Congress they will impeach him, REGARDLESS of the results of the Mueller investigation.



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I agree. However, a lot of damage can be done before the next voting opportunity arises. And if the damage results from criminal behavior, is the country powerless to act until the next election?




I agree. Look at what Obamacare and over-reaching regulations did to our economy until we could get Republicans back in charge of Congress.



Hahahaha!

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Look, we are in a divided two-party world with absolutely no middle ground on which we can operate. 75% of Democrats, 98% of elected Democrats, and maybe 100% of this board's Democrats can not name one thing that they would say "Well done, Mr. President."



You're correct that I can't think of one.

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And I have little doubt that if the Democrats had control of Congress they will impeach him, REGARDLESS of the results of the Mueller investigation.




I certainly hope not. I think impeachment would be a huge mistake. I want to elect enough Democrats to take control of both houses, then just hog-tie Trump until we can vote the whole kit and kaboodle out of office in 2020.


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Barry: Look at what Obamacare and over-reaching regulations did to our economy until we could get Republicans back in charge of Congress.

Improved access to medical care for millions of Americans, a slower increase in premium costs, improved worker safety, cleaner air and water, significant increases in wind and solar energy production, improving auto fuel mileage, record corporate profits, a net gain of 11.6 million jobs, a significant increase in crude oil production. Darn. What TERRIBLE effects Obama had on the economy!

Look, we are in a divided two-party world with absolutely no middle ground on which we can operate. 75% of Democrats, 98% of elected Democrats, and maybe 100% of this board's Democrats can not name one thing that they would say "Well done, Mr. President."

Trump did bomb Syria when it used chemical weapons again. And he did allow the military to keep doing its job to eradicate ISIS. And he did grant a pardon to Jack Johnson.

And I have little doubt that if the Democrats had control of Congress they will impeach him, REGARDLESS of the results of the Mueller investigation.

I wouldn't be so sure, Barry. I've always thought the Democrats who came into Congress with Obama's election COMPLETELY let Cheney, W, and that whole cabal off the hook with war crimes and all kinds of violations of law. But they decided that it was far more important to address the economic collapse we were facing, as well as the health care crisis. And in the end, they were right. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Congressional Democrats, should they take both houses, focus far more on reversing the disastrous policy choices made by Trump and Congressional Republicans.

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Whoa....

Breaking news on MSNBC from Chris Hayes. I still don't see it online so can't link it yet.

If I heard it all correctly....

Mueller has asked a DC federal judge to revoke Manafort's bail!!!

Prosecutors say Manafort called, texted, and sent encrypted messages to two witnesses in February, trying to get them to change their testimony and conceal evidence.

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Manafort's in deep kim chee.

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I'm just blown away that now TWO judges EVER gave Manafort bail, given his deep financial resources, international connections, and very serious charges. He could be in the wind on a private plane within minutes -- wearing both ankle bracelets all the way to freedom!

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(]CNN) - Rudy Giuliani denied Monday that the disclosure by Donald Trump's attorneys that the President dictated a crucial statement on the infamous June 2016 Trump Tower meeting -- a reversal from past denials -- constituted a lie, instead claiming it was a routine mistake. "It was a mistake," Giulani, a lawyer for Trump in the Russia investigation, said on CNN's "Cuomo Prime Time" Monday. "I swear to God, it was a mistake."...

"I don't think anybody's lying," Giuliani told CNN's Chris Cuomo, as part of an interview in which he also railed against former FBI Director James Comey and dismissed the idea that his role defending Trump would hurt his legacy. "I think a mistake was made."


Rudy swears to God? While he's in Israel and told Cuomo that he had just visited the Wailing Wall?

I wonder what God has to say about that.

Anyway, Sekulow insisted -- repeatedly -- that Trump had nothing to do with writing the note. Sanders insisted -- repeatedly -- that Trump had nothing to do with writing the note (though later capitulating that he might have looked it over, as any father would do). Oddly enough, it was Sanders who categorically stated that Trump did not "dictate" the note -- the very word that was later used in the letter Sekulow and Dowd sent to Mueller.

So either Sekulow and Sanders lied with impunity or, as I'll wager happened, Trump lied to them both.

But for Giuliani to "swear to God" that a lie is a mistake? Rudy, when your credibility is already deep in the toilet, it's not a good idea to reach up to flush.

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Paul Ryan: Gowdy's statement contradicting Trump on spying claims is 'accurate'.

"Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Wednesday pushed back against President Trump’s “spygate” claims, siding with Rep. Trey Gowdy’s (R-S.C.) defense of the FBI’s investigation into Trump’s campaign and Russia.

“Chairman Gowdy’s initial assessment is accurate, but we have more digging to do,” Ryan told reporters during his weekly news conference.

A week after a closed-door briefing on the bureau’s use of an informant in the investigation, Gowdy told CBS News that he had seen no evidence to support Trump’s claims that a “spy” was improperly inserted into his 2016 campaign.

The Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman, who is retiring, said he did not believe the FBI had done anything out of bounds in its investigation, and defended the use of informants by the bureau and other law enforcement agencies.

"That is not a term I've ever used in the criminal justice system," Gowdy said.

“I’ve never heard the term ‘spy’ used. Undercover informant, confidential informant, those are all words I'm familiar with. I've never heard the term 'spy' used," he added.

The robust defense from Gowdy came after Trump and a number of House conservatives had seized on revelations that the FBI used a confidential informant in its investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia, alleging that a “spy” was improperly planted into the campaign."


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Paul Ryan: Gowdy's statement contradicting Trump on spying claims is 'accurate'.

"Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Wednesday pushed back against President Trump’s “spygate” claims, siding with Rep. Trey Gowdy’s (R-S.C.) defense of the FBI’s investigation into Trump’s campaign and Russia.

“Chairman Gowdy’s initial assessment is accurate, but we have more digging to do,” Ryan told reporters during his weekly news conference.

A week after a closed-door briefing on the bureau’s use of an informant in the investigation, Gowdy told CBS News that he had seen no evidence to support Trump’s claims that a “spy” was improperly inserted into his 2016 campaign.

The Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman, who is retiring, said he did not believe the FBI had done anything out of bounds in its investigation, and defended the use of informants by the bureau and other law enforcement agencies.

"That is not a term I've ever used in the criminal justice system," Gowdy said.

“I’ve never heard the term ‘spy’ used. Undercover informant, confidential informant, those are all words I'm familiar with. I've never heard the term 'spy' used," he added.

The robust defense from Gowdy came after Trump and a number of House conservatives had seized on revelations that the FBI used a confidential informant in its investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia, alleging that a “spy” was improperly planted into the campaign."


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Good for Ryan.



As far as I’m concerned Paul Ryan remains one of the most cowardly Republican in the House. He even equivocates his agreement with Gowdy with the “...more digging” qualifier. Completely gutless. And if Kevin MeCarthy were to succeed him, I would have no reason to expect anything different.

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Agreed, Brick. I'm utterly dumbfounded over the cowardly behavior of most of the Republicans in power. If they'd held on to their spines, they could have been far more powerful than Trump.

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As far as I’m concerned Paul Ryan remains one of the most cowardly Republican in the House. He even equivocates his agreement with Gowdy with the “...more digging” qualifier. Completely gutless. And if Kevin MeCarthy were to succeed him, I would have no reason to expect anything different.




Amen, Brick. McCarthy is every bit as much a slime ball as Ryan is.
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I actually liked Ryan at one time, but he's deserted his country for partisan politics.

The country doesn't need a McCarthy.
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And now Ivanka is drawn into the Russian drama....

([url=[sign in to see URL] - Ivanka Trump Was In Contact With A Russian Who Offered A Trump-Putin Meeting

Amid intense scrutiny of contacts between Donald Trump's inner circle and representatives of Vladimir Putin, Ivanka Trump's name has barely come up. But during the campaign, she connected her father’s personal lawyer with a Russian athlete who offered to introduce Donald Trump to Putin to facilitate a 100-story Trump tower in Moscow, according to emails reviewed by BuzzFeed News and four sources with knowledge of the matter.

There is no evidence that Ivanka Trump’s contact with the athlete — the former Olympic weightlifter Dmitry Klokov — was illegal or that it had anything to do with the election. Nor is it clear that Klokov could even have introduced Trump to the Russian president. But congressional investigators have reviewed emails and questioned witnesses about the interaction, according to two of the sources, and so has special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, according to the other two.

The contacts reveal that even as her father was campaigning to become president of the United States, Ivanka Trump connected Michael Cohen with a Russian who offered to arrange a meeting with one of the US’s adversaries — in order to help close a business deal that could have made the Trump family millions.


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As far as I’m concerned Paul Ryan remains one of the most cowardly Republican in the House. He even equivocates his agreement with Gowdy with the “...more digging” qualifier. Completely gutless. And if Kevin MeCarthy were to succeed him, I would have no reason to expect anything different.



Nor would I.... I saw an interview McCarthy gave sometime in the last few days -- I think with Dana Bash -- and he just had a sick smile and gritted teeth through it all, ignoring every question and simply spewing his talking points, a good number of them lies....

Apparently Senate Intelligence Chair Richard Burr has joined the chorus, announcing the FBI acted correctly. So we're down to Trump and Giuliani still screeching about "Spygate"? Or does Fox News have it permanently plastered on its chyron?

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(]CNN) - Retired Army Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters, who recently left Fox News and Fox Business News after 10 years as a strategic and military analyst, tells CNN's Anderson Cooper he is convinced Russian President Vladimir Putin "has a grip" on President Donald Trump.

Interview at the link.

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Rachel Maddow has an outstanding 15-minute segment tonight: "New Cambridge Analytica revelations connect Trump Russia dots."

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Her closing statement: "Don't lose sight of the importance of this admission today, that we just got in this hearing in Parliament in Britain. We, in this country, are dealing with this existential [sign in to see URL] whether or not our president was chosen not just because of a foreign intelligence operation. We're grappling with this existential question as to whether his campaign was PART of that foreign intelligence operation. And now there is this admission today that in fact the Trump campaign's data firm in the election, run by his top donor, Robert Mercer, led by his Campaign Chief, Steve [sign in to see URL] data firm was a foreign firm, using foreign workers, microtargeting US voters in swing states right up through election day, using an incredibly potent, personalized, detailed data set that was stolen for them by a Russian researcher, paid for by the Russian government."

It's too complicated for me to explain, but Rachel does it beautifully.

In short, the additional news is that not only did a director at Cambridge Analytica (which had been hired by the Trump campaign and offered to help Julian Assange and Wikileaks sort and target the Russians' stolen Dem emails) meet personally with Assange, but Cambridge Analytica actually PAID Wikileaks for their efforts via cryptocurrency.

Russian intelligence stole the Dem emails.

Russian intelligence turned them over to Wikileaks, to inflict damage on the Clinton campaign.

Cambridge Analytica, working for the Trump campaign, developed a program to steal personal information from 87 million Facebook users, so they could microtarget information.

Cambridge Analytica reached out to Wikileaks to get the stolen emails so that it could be targeted to Americans.

Trump pays Cambridge Analytica. Cambridge Analytica pays Wikileaks for stolen emails.

Rachel asks, "What is the definition of collusion, again?"

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Rachel Maddow has an outstanding 15-minute segment tonight: "New Cambridge Analytica revelations connect Trump Russia dots."




I saw that segment. Holy cats!



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Special counsel Robert Mueller files witness tampering indictment against Paul Manafort and Russian citizen Konstantin Kilimnik

    *Special counsel Robert Mueller filed new witness tampering charges against ex-Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort and Russian national Konstantin Kilimnik
    *Mueller was already asking a judge to revoke Manafort's $10 million bail.
    *President Donald Trump has repeatedly called the special counsel's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election a "witch hunt."

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Published 38 Mins Ago Updated 1 Min Ago


Special counsel Robert Mueller filed new witness tampering criminal charges against ex-Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort as well as Russian citizen Konstantin Kilimnik as a defendant.

The superseding indictment lodged by a grand jury sitting in federal court in Washington, DC, came days after Mueller asked the judge in Manafort's case to revoke his $10 million bail and jail him because of an alleged effort to tamper with witnesses.

Manafort, 69, and the 48-year-old Moscow resident Kilimnik were both hit with new charges accusing them of obstructing justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice by using intimidation or force against a witness, and also with tampering with a witness, victim or informant.

The superseding indictment filed by Mueller maintains five other prior criminal charges against Manafort pending in DC federal court, which relate to lobbying work he did on behalf of a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine. Those charges include conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign principal, and false statements.

Manafort is set to go on trial next month in Virginia federal court on related charges. His trial in DC federal court is set for September.

"The heat is being turned up," said Robert Ray, who served as independent counsel in the Whitewater investigation into Bill Clinton, in an email to CNBC.

"Counts Six and Seven are significant — obstruction of justice (witness tampering) and conspiracy to obstruct justice (same), alleged against both defendants and continuing through April 2018, that is, including while Manafort was released on bail," said Ray, a partner in the law firm of Thompson & Knight.

Lawyers for Manafort did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The White House had no immediate comment.

President Donald Trump was asked Friday if he had considered pardoning his former campaign chief Manafort or his personal lawyer Michael Cohen, who is the target of a federal criminal probe in New York City.

"It's far too early to be thinking about it," Trump told reporters. "They haven't been convicted of anything. There's nothing pardon."

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This Trump gang really DOES operate like the mafia, doesn't it?

But gee, I heard Trump say this morning that he was considering THOUSANDS of pardons....

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PAUL MANAFORT'S BAIL HAS BEEN REVOKED!

He is headed directly to jail. His first trial is scheduled for July 25.

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