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I don't blame you Cooter. I agree, he doesn't know WTF he's doing. He goes on impulse and ignores the advice of people who know better than him. And his adoring fans don't care but are furious that he's not getting universal adulation.
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Israel and Iran are already firing at each other.... Israelis are firing on Palestinian protesters again.... And we're off to the races....

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Iran doesn't need to !@#$ with Israel. That's a good way to go down the tubes.

I've always thought that Bibi would love a war and have us fight it for him. I strongly suspect that they can handle themselves, though.
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Oh, I am VERY sure you're right about Bibi wanting the US to pound the heck out of Iran for him. Israel has a whole lot of fire power -- but Iran is a serious threat. With the US doing the pounding FOR them?

I remember being VERY concerned during W's presidency that Israel would start a war with Iran and then scream and whine for the US to come in and rescue them -- and with the US overextended in Iraq, Afghanistan, AND Iran, leave us way too vulnerable in any number of places -- including home. I have to wonder if W's foreign policy advisers passed the word to Israel that if they messed up by attacking Iran, they'd be on their own.

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Look at it this way. It got him on the cover of another magazine.

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Trump didn't pull out of the deal - he violated it


Fox is the last place I'd have expected to hear this ....

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith: Trump didn’t “pull out” of Iran deal. He violated it.
Fox News anchor Shepard Smith scolds a guest for saying Trump “pulled out” of the Iran deal


Fox News anchor, Shep Smith, wants to ensure there is clarity around the Iran Deal breaking news.

President Trump announced Tuesday morning that the U.S. will no longer participate in the Iran Deal.

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However, when sources used the term “pulled out” Smith was quick to scold and correct them.

While interviewing, Jon Alterman, a former statement department staff member, he said that President Trump did not “pull out” of the deal but simply “violated” its terms.

“The deal didn’t have a provision for withdrawal, we are willfully violating,” Alterman clarified.



When speaking to author, Gordon Chang, Smith interrupted him when he said that Trump “got out” of the Iran deal.



“You can’t really get out of the Iran Deal, there is no provision for that. You can make a decision to violate the deal, but saying pulled out is a bit of a misnomer,” Smith said.

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Fox is the last place I'd have expected to hear this ....

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith: Trump didn’t “pull out” of Iran deal. He violated it.
Fox News anchor Shepard Smith scolds a guest for saying Trump “pulled out” of the Iran deal





Shep Smith seems to be the only one there who has a grasp of the facts.

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Good for him. Shepard Smith has spoken truth to power a number of times now. I wonder if he's long for the Fox network.

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Shep is a good guy, and he gets paid a substantial amount for being their anchor news person. He's from Holly Springs, right up the road, went to Ole Miss and has a condo here. He makes a lot of ballgames.
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A New ‘Guardian’ Report Shows Just How Far Team Trump Would Go to Discredit the Iran Deal
Aides allegedly hired an Israeli intelligence firm to dig up dirt on Obama staffers who were involved in negotiations.


According to a new report from the Guardian, Trump aides hired an Israeli private intelligence firm to coordinate a “dirty ops” campaign against former Obama staffers who helped negotiate the Iran nuclear deal.

The alleged plan was to discredit the agreement, which the president has called the “worst deal ever,” by digging up dirt on Ben Rhodes, one of President Obama’s national security advisers, and Colin Kahl, who was Vice President Biden’s national security adviser. Investigators were supposedly told to look at their personal lives and any involvement with Iran-friendly lobbyists. They were also told to contact journalists who supported the deal to see if Rhodes or Kahl told them any sensitive information.

“I was not aware [of the campaign], though sadly am not surprised,” Rhodes told the Guardian. “I would say that digging up dirt on someone for carrying out their professional responsibilities in their positions as White House officials is a chillingly authoritarian thing to do.”

It’s unclear how much work was done to carry out the plan, but after the Guardian story published, Kahl tweeted about an incident last year in which a supposed “socially responsible private equity” firm contacted his wife while she was serving on the fundraising committee at their child’s elementary school in Washington, D.C.

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(]CNN) - Pompeo threatens US will 'crush' Iran through sanctions and pressure campaign

The US will aim to "crush" Iran with economic and military pressure unless it changes its behavior in the Middle East, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Monday. Pompeo, unveiling the Trump administration's new policy on Iran just weeks after President Donald Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, said the US will work to counter Tehran's activities and curb its influence in the Middle East and make sure that it never gains a nuclear weapon. "Sanctions are going back in full effect, and new ones are coming," Pompeo said, speaking at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. Pompeo said he will also be working with the Defense Department and allies to push back on Iran.

Precisely which allies would those be, Pompeo? Our allies from THIS alliance, which we flagrantly violated because Trump's sole guiding agenda is to undo anything Obama did? How well do you think those allies will be working with us, when they have already further solidified their resolve to keep the agreement in place and work against us?

"We will ensure freedom of navigation on the waters in the region. We will work to prevent and counteract any Iranian malign cyber activity. We will track down Iranian operatives and their Hezbollah proxies operating around the world and crush them," Pompeo said. "Iran will never again have carte blanche to dominate the Middle East. The Iranian regime should know this is just the beginning," Pompeo added.

Sounds like Pompeo plans to ramp up the number of US troops in the region, doesn't it? All coming from the folks who constantly claim that the US can't be the "policeman of the world." And you plan to "crush" them? Mighty big words from a country standing alone....

In exchange for a change in behavior, Pompeo said the US would be willing to end sanctions, re-establish commercial relationships and allow it to have advanced technology.

That's EXACTLY what we did with THIS agreement! And then we VIOLATED the agreement because the Toddler-in-Chief needed to feel like some kind of big man with his blustering threats. Iran would be stupid to believe Trump OR Pompeo. And Iran isn't stupid, as much as Pompeo and Trump want them to be.

And he made clear that the Trump administration was ready to part ways with allies and even use sanctions against them if necessary.

Well, just great. Make even MORE enemies, idiots. You can't bully your friends and keep calling them allies. Cutting ties with our allies makes the world far more dangerous for ALL of us. We NEED the intelligence and military alliances our friends provide, not to mention goods and services.

"We understand our re-imposition of sanctions and the coming pressure campaign on the Iranian regime will pose financial and economic difficulties for a number of our friends," Pompeo said. "But you should know that we will hold those doing prohibited business in Iran to account."

Prohibited by whom? By us? We demand that our friends follow the "whim of the week," and then decide we will punish our friends when they don't follow our pronouncements? Who would WANT to be friends with us? *I* don't even want to be friends with an enemy like us.

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In the beginning I thought that Pompeo had some promise. So much for that brain fart.
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Maybe he did, Cooter. It seems like EVERYONE who interacts with Trump comes away with their reputations tainted, if not destroyed.

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I found it impossible to forget Pompeo's questioning of Hillary Clinton about Benghazi. He was as aggressive and unreasonable as any of them.
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Your memory is better than mine, Belle. I had forgotten that.

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( News) - Iran has laid groundwork for extensive cyberattacks on U.S., say officials

Iranian hackers have laid the groundwork to carry out extensive cyberattacks on U.S. and European infrastructure and on private companies, and the U.S. is warning allies, hardening its defenses and weighing a counterattack, say multiple senior U.S. officials. Despite Iran having positioned cyber weapons to carry out attacks, there is no suggestion an offensive operation is imminent, according to the officials, who requested anonymity in order to speak.

Cyber threats have been a major theme of the 2018 Aspen Security Forum, with administration officials from Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, FBI Director Chris Wray, and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein all warning of the pervasive danger from Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea. In Aspen Thursday, Coats said that Russia was a more active cyber foe than Iran or China — "by far" the most aggressive, he said.



Oh, wait. WHO is the greater threat???


While Russia may be the most aggressive, the U.S. officials said Iran is making preparations that would enable denial-of-service attacks against thousands of electric grids, water plants, and health care and technology companies in the U.S., Germany, the U.K. and other countries in Europe and the Middle East....

The U.S. has not yet decided whether it will retaliate in the event of an attack, according to U.S. officials, but the White House has already begun to ready new sanctions against Tehran and continues to amp up its anti-Iran rhetoric as it builds a case for its more confrontational stance.

President Donald Trump withdrew the U.S. from the multinational 2015 nuclear deal with Iran in May, and the U.S. government has warned that if other nations follow suit Iran could retaliate in the cyber domain. Though Iranian hackers have previously probed U.S. infrastructure, targeting U.S. electrical grids alone would mark a significant escalation in Iran's use of cyber-warfare to date.

After the U.S. pulled out of the nuclear deal, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen testified before Congress that the U.S. was "anticipating it's a possibility" that Iran would increase cyberattacks in the coming weeks and months and that the U.S. "will be prepared." Nielsen said the U.S. has a posture called "shields up" it can institute when anticipating a possible attack.



Making enemies everywhere....


Senior U.S. officials remain divided over the use of a pre-emptive cyberattack.


Ummmmmmm, WHAT???? Did you people learn NOTHING from the "pre-emptive attack" against Iraq to prevent them from using WMDs -- that they never had????

Nah, a US pre-emptive attack couldn't POSSIBLY set off a war in the Middle East....

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]Iranian President Hassan Rouhani: "Mr. Trump, don't play with the lion's tail. This would only lead to regret. America should know that peace with Iran is the mother of all peace, and war with Iran is the mother of all wars."

]Donald Trump Tweet: To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

]Secretary of State Mike Pompeo: "The level of corruption and wealth among Iranian leaders shows that Iran is run by something that resembles the mafia more than a government. After 40 years of tyranny, the proud Iranian people are not staying silent about their government's abuses. We will not stay silent either."

]National Security Adviser John Bolton: "I spoke to the president over the last several days, and President Trump told me that if Iran does anything at all to the negative, they will pay a price like few countries have ever paid before."

]Representative Ted Lieu Tweet: Are you a tad concerned about this tweet by @realDonaldTrump to Iranian President Rouhani? If so, support HR 669 / S 200 by @SenMarkey & me. This bipartisan legislation prevents @POTUS from launching a nuclear first strike without Congressional authorization.

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This utter nitwit is going to get us into war.

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Let us hope HR 669/S 200 passes, forlorn as that hope may be.
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