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Hmmmm... Jared's in Jerusalem. I thought he was solving the Israeli/Palestinian problems.

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And the infamous Palestinian Nuke

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This is just all so unnecessary and sad.

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Jared and his father-in-law share the belief that "solving" the Israeli/Palestinian problem is for the Palestinians to give up more and more land as the Israelis expand their settlements. And to just go away.

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(]CNN) - Turkey is recalling its ambassadors to the US and Israel in an official protest of the Trump administration's decision to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency, citing Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdag, said the envoys were being called back, the report was confirmed by the Turkish embassy in Washington.

Asked how long the recall would last, a spokesperson for the Turkish Embassy said "we don't know at this stage" adding that the US ambassador was recalled for "consultations."


And so it begins....

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I agree, Robbie. It is terribly sad. I’m not sure how much religion is behind this tragedy. I don’t think Netanyahu is motivated by religion in this or in the position he takes with Iran.
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Trump sends a bigot Southern Baptist Preacher from Texas to speak and pray at the opening. He has said that Jews will all go to hell.

Of course the Trump base will all stand up and applaud.

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quote:

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This is just all so unnecessary and sad.



And infuriating.
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Trump's reward for moving the embassy is getting his name on things in Israel:

Reports of Israel’s gratitude to Trump abound. A square near the embassy is being renamed in his honor. Beitar Jerusalem, a soccer team whose fans are notorious for their racism, is now calling itself Beitar “Trump” Jerusalem.

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Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat announced his intention to formally name the square near the US embassy site the "United States Square in honor of President Donald Trump," the Jerusalem Press Office released on Tuesday.

An official event with American dignitaries will be held in the future to celebrate the naming.

"This is the way in which Jerusalem returns love to the president and residents of the United States who stand by the state of Israel," said the mayor. "President Trump decided to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish people, stand on the side of historical truth and do the right thing."

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quote:

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Trump's reward for moving the embassy is getting his name on things in Israel:




Oh, that's just disgusting.

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Completely disgusting, indeed.

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I hate to admit it.... But I've heard every single one of those excuses over the years....

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They're looking forward to the battle of Armageddon because it will lead to the second coming.

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Palestinians clash with Israeli forces near the border between the Gaza strip and Israel, east of Gaza City following the the controversial move to Jerusalem of the United States embassy on May 14, 2018


Trump’s evangelical base sees doomsday prophecy in Gaza violence — and they’re thrilled
For Trump’s most fanatical supporters, this is all part of the struggle against the Antichrist. Believe me, I know

JARED YATES SEXTON

As the United States officially moved its Israeli embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on Monday, clashes in Gaza cast a dark pall over the ceremonies, which featured Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, videotaped remarks from President Donald Trump and a speech by the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner. The violence – which resulted from Israeli forces firing on protesters and has so far cost more than 50 lives and more than 2,700 injuries – was a stark contrast to the pomp and circumstance celebrating what some have called a bold move by President Trump. Others, of course, have criticized it as a needless provocation.

Critics of the decision worry it will effectively derail efforts to broker a peace between Israelis and Palestinians, in order to please wealthy Republican donors like casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who was said to have met personally with the president to convince him to relocate the embassy. Considering Adelson’s influence, it’s unsurprising he was in attendance Monday afternoon, but one voting bloc celebrating this event might be more surprising: evangelical Christians.

While video streamed on television of protesters bleeding and dying on the ground, I noticed very quickly a stark contrast on my social media feeds, where relatives and friends back home seemed to rejoice in the chaos. The turmoil in Gaza, according to them, represented a full vindication of the decision and further proof that something otherworldly was taking place in Israel.

I remember hearing something about this in Sunday school, somebody posted alongside pictures of death and destruction.
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Growing up in rural Indiana, I was raised on a steady diet of conspiracy theories and apocalyptic dogma. Objects as innocuous as the clouds in the sky or tasks as commonplace as boiling water were imbued with spiritual import. According to my family, Satan was as ever-present as the hum of the refrigerator, and every new day meant another opportunity to resist and battle him with the word of God. Going astray, or simply entertaining an impure thought, was tantamount to being damned to a pit of fire for eternity.

Every Sunday we were reminded of just how dire the battle was. Our preacher walked himself into a drenching sweat as he paced our church’s stage, his dog-eared Bible in hand, his gaze turned toward the ceiling as he pleaded with the almighty father to forgive his doomed flock. There was no gray area when it came to salvation. You were either among the chosen or destined to suffer, and our fate hinged on our every decision.

The moment of our judgment, we were reminded, could come at any moment. Death was always just one breath away. But, if somehow we managed to live long enough, we might very well be spectators to the End of the World. In this story, there were two armies, one containing the multitude of the holy and the other a rambling throng of sinners lead by the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse and the Antichrist himself, each on a collision course that would cross paths any day.

“For you know quite well,” our pastor was fond of quoting, “the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.”

My people didn’t treat this sermon like a metaphor or allegory. This was a foretold event that would come to pass at a time of our Lord’s choosing. When we played in the yard and took up sticks, we were swinging the sword of God and attacking barbarous hordes. While we watched the evening news and its litany of tragedies and disasters, Grandma would shake her head and mumble to herself: “Nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom.”

Every development, every new policy, every war and every epidemic was seen as further proof of approaching Armageddon. My grandma, and other members of my family who trafficked in conspiracy theories, read books and tabloids in search of further "end times" gospel. The specifics were always ...

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Trump's reward for moving the embassy is getting his name on things in Israel:

Reports of Israel’s gratitude to Trump abound. A square near the embassy is being renamed in his honor. Beitar Jerusalem, a soccer team whose fans are notorious for their racism, is now calling itself Beitar “Trump” Jerusalem.

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Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat announced his intention to formally name the square near the US embassy site the "United States Square in honor of President Donald Trump," the Jerusalem Press Office released on Tuesday.

An official event with American dignitaries will be held in the future to celebrate the naming.

"This is the way in which Jerusalem returns love to the president and residents of the United States who stand by the state of Israel," said the mayor. "President Trump decided to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish people, stand on the side of historical truth and do the right thing."

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Pastor at US Embassy opening in Jerusalem says Trump is “on the right side” of God
The Christian apocalyptic theology behind Trump’s controversial US Embassy move to Jerusalem.

By Tara Isabella Burton

“Israel has blessed this world by pointing us to you, the one true God, through the message of her prophets, the Scriptures, and the Messiah.”

So Robert Jeffress, the same pastor who once made “Make America Great Again” into a hymn, prayed during his blessing of the new US Embassy in Jerusalem on Monday.

In his prayer, Jeffress also praised President Donald Trump as one who “stands on the right side of you, O God, when it comes to Israel.”

Jeffress, a pastor at First Baptist Church in Dallas and one of the most prominent members of Trump’s unofficial evangelical advisory council, has long been known for his vocal support of Trump. He has repeatedly said that divine providence had a hand in Trump’s election and that God has authorized Trump to do, basically, whatever he wants.

Given the controversial nature of the embassy move, which prompted a wave of violence at the Gaza border on Monday in which Israeli soldiers killed at least 50 protesters, one might be forgiven for finding Jeffress’s full-throated evocation of Christian supremacy surprisingly tactless.

Certainly, former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney found Jeffress an offensive choice to pray at the embassy’s opening. Citing critical comments Jeffress had previously made about Mormonism and Islam, Romney said “a religious bigot should not be giving the prayer that opens the United States Embassy in Jerusalem.”

Rabbi Jack Moline of the Interfaith Alliance was also critical of the Trump administration’s invitation to Jeffress. He said in an interview that “the American embassy is American soil. And therefore, the constitutional principles that we live by ought to be in place when a ceremony is being held on American soil.” In Moline’s view, Jeffress’s remarks “violated the establishment clause … by mixing their own particular right-wing theology in what was supposed to be a civil event.”

But Jeffress’s prayer wasn’t just a disquieting celebration of Christian Trumpism. It was also a coded message, one that placed the embassy move within a wider theological context.

For many evangelical Christians — including those who have Trump’s ear — moving the embassy to Jerusalem isn’t just about temporal political goals. Rather, the embassy move is one that will yield cosmic, and catastrophic, results. Evangelicals who subscribe to the quintessentially American tradition of premillennial dispensationalist theology, Trump’s decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem is a necessary step in bringing about the apocalypse.

At best, influential figures in the Trump administration — from Vice President Mike Pence to ex-adviser Steve Bannon — have been making political decisions based, in part, on courting evangelicals who believe an embassy in Jerusalem is a key step to the end of days. At worst, they’re actively trying to bring it about.

The evangelical theology of apocalypse is a distinctively American one

To understand how Israel fits into premillennial dispensationalist theology, it’s important to clarify what premillennial dispensationalist theology is. It is a tradition within Christian thought that became popular among English Puritans in the 16th and 17th centuries but is today most closely associated with the evangelical American tradition. Dispensationalists believe that ...

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He has repeatedly said that divine providence had a hand in Trump’s election and that God has authorized Trump to do, basically, whatever he wants.

Welcome back to the Divine Right of Kings. Pay no attention to that Magna Carta over there....

But Jeffress’s prayer wasn’t just a disquieting celebration of Christian Trumpism. It was also a coded message, one that placed the embassy move within a wider theological context.... Trump’s decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem is a necessary step in bringing about the apocalypse.

I remember W's staff members saying, after he was out of office, of course, that his speechwriters would insert little phrases into his speeches as coded messages to evangelicals.

Look, if you all want to bring about your own deaths in some misguided attempt to achieve eternal glory at the expense of everyone else, feel free to go off and do that for yourselves. We all see how well that worked out for Jim Jones and his flock. But please leave the rest of us out of it. I'm not in any hurry to bring about an apocolypse....

And I have to ask.... What kind of arrogance leads them to believe they'll be in the 144,000 that are supposedly saved? There are more than 144,000 evangelicals in the US alone. (Heck, probably more than that in Indiana.)

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Every time I taught the 1st Amendment in my AP Government classes, we would have this conversation. Inevitably, some of the kids argued that there was nothing wrong with having a Christian prayer every day -- and if some kids objected, they could just sit quietly and not participate. So I would agree with their proposal, telling them that I would bring in prayer rugs, and our class would share in Muslim prayers at the beginning of each class. And if they didn't want to participate, they didn't have to. They could just sit quietly while the rest of us did.

The light began to dawn....

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